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AaronSEIA 
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Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 8:00pm |
Ok, another "other forum" question. Have 2 people over there say that electric start was an option on the unstyled WC's. Claim it was about a $100 option. I can't find anything in Terry Deans book or the parts manual about it. I'm not going to call anyone a liar because we're dealing with 60 year old memories. I'm thinking that dealers may have sold this as a dealer thought it up field option when they came out with the styled ones. Would have been an easy sell at an overhaul. Does anyone have documented proof that it was an option new from AC?
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Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 8:07pm |
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I don't know if it was for sure, but the only unstyled WC's that I have seen with electric start usually have the styled WC or WD bellhousing with the bolt holes on the top for the gas tank mount. That would lead me to believe it was added later. If someone out there has one that has a different bellhousing that was made prior to the styled WC's that has a starter hole but no mount on the top, then I could believe that it was an option. Maybe someone out there has one like that. My unstyled WC has electric start, but it has the bolt holes on the top. In fact they used the holes and made a bracket for a choke lever mechanism with the choke rod going up through underneath the gas tank
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Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 8:36pm |
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The unstyled WC did NOT come with a factory starter option. The first electric starter and generator came out on the styled ones. But I suppose a dealer could slap a bell housing, starter, and generator for a styled WC onto an unstyled one. The guys you are talking about could have went to a dealer that had converted some unstyled WC's over to electric start for an additional fee. If someone didn't know a lot about WC's or AC in general, it would be easy to assume it was a factory option.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 8:36pm |
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My parts book shows electric starting assembly used on WC74330 & up and WF1904 & up which means styled only.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 8:45pm |
Thats what all my books say. Thing is, I was born roughly 40 years after they styled them. I'm deffering to those who might have first hand experience. My thought is dealers started "upselling" a parts counter kit when tractors came in the shop. Add 70 years to someones memory and the details get a little too fuzzy to recall. I'd guess $100 from the dealer through parts and the shop might have been about right.
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Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 12:47am |
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Was WF1904 styled ?
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Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 12:49am |
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It might have been an option for somebody buying a new WC that had been setting on the dealers lot for a while. Not a factory option though.
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Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 5:47am |
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WF1904 was the first styled.
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Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 7:02am |
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I pernsonally converted a unstyled WF and WC to starter bellhousings and as Chuck said if you look they have bolt holes in the top for the gas tank mount.
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Posted: 09 Mar 2011 at 9:05am |
I remember my father unloading - on a snowy Thanksgiving Day - our first carload of new styled WC's WITH A STARTER. The WC's at that time did not have the starter rod that ran from the starter to the foot rest. It was added from parts later.
Pop had to walk to the side of the tractor to press the starter button to start the engine.
I cannot confirm that the starter was not a factory option on the unstyled WC's but I frankly do not believe they were. I do believe they could be but only if - as stated above - the bell housing was moved from a newer WC for a starter.
What Year? Thanksgiving 1938. I was four. Pop was so excited that we had a STARTER on a newly styled WC!!!
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Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 5:14am |
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I just acquired a WC. It has no push rod for starter. There is no starter switch on the starter either. There is a solenoid on the starter where the push button should be mounted. Did all WC’s have the pushrod start? Or did some have an electric button?
I am guessing this was some cobbled up add on but was curious about what is correct
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Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 6:03am |
All would have been rod starting. Someone converted to a switch. AaronSEIA
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Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 9:18pm |
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Not all had a rod. Bill Long mentioned once, when the first electric stat tractors came to be unloaded, you had to stand in front of the left rear wheel and push the starter button on the starter.
I think he said that was the early 39 models??? A local old timer Allis mechanic told me 39 was the first year for electric start. I don't know if that is fact.
None ever had a solenoid for the starter.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 9:40am |
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According to the "Bible" (Norm Swinford's book) when speaking of the styled WC which came out late in 1938, "Perhaps the most important change was the new electrical system with starter and lights".
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Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 1:24pm |
My dad told me that Montgomery Ward and
Sears Roebuck both sold starter kits for a lot of tractors
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Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 7:42am |
"Dealer Install Option" means they were performed by a dealer, so the best 'proof' is a dealer receipt indicating it included as part of a sale.
My grandfather's unstyled WC had electric start and lights installed by his local dealer. He bought it NEW in 1940 AFTER the 'styled' flavor appeared... but he didn't have to request the option- the dealership proactively fitted it, simply so that he could move it off his lot... and it likely didn't appear on his sales ticket.
I suspect that many of the electric-start unstyled went out this way... else they would have simply sat as 'dead stock'.
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Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 8:15am |
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so my question is do the unstyled tractors have a ring gear on the flywheel?
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Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 8:28am |
 nickia wrote:
so my question is do the unstyled tractors have a ring gear on the flywheel? |
unless they've been replaced in the past, they do not
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Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 8:30am |
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When they left the factory?? Nope. I'm sure that shortly after the "styled" WC's were released, A-C probably had a field installed "kit" available which included the bellhousing, ring gear, starter, battery box and battery cables and any hardware to complete the installation. The perfect time for this to be installed was when the tractor got its first engine overhaul and the engine was already out of the frame, or when it needed a foot clutch replaced.
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Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:49pm |
 After reading Bill longs post and looking at the S/N this must of came without the rod. That explains where there wasn’t even any mounts for a rod
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Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 8:33pm |
Brian G. NY wrote:
According to the "Bible" (Norm Swinford's book) when speaking of the styled WC which came out late in 1938, "Perhaps the most important change was the new electrical system with starter and lights". |
Early styled ones could have had a starter, but according to Bil, didn't have a "push rod" at the operators station.
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Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 8:35pm |
Btracy62 wrote:
After reading Bill longs post and looking at the S/N this must of came without the rod. That explains where there wasn’t even any mounts for a rod |
What year WC do you have? None of the unstyled WC's had any provision for a starter, so no need to have a push rod for the switch.
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 01 Nov 2021 at 11:05am
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