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DaveKamp 
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Posted: 29 Mar 2022 at 7:23am |
The question is wether to buy a truck, or a trailer...
But for your circumstance, the best answer is NEITHER...
Because you said "quarry is a 2 hour round trip"
The cost of the material you're hauling, is low, in comparison to transport. Let's say you wanted to match that 24T haul with anything smaller... you might be able to go with a 5-6t tandem axle 5th wheel, or with a class 6 farm truck, the former being a little faster on the road, the latter being substantially more expensive to own and operate.
The big truck haulers can carry a significant amount (especially a semi with long-dump material bed) in the same time or less, under their insurance, and burn about the same amount of fuel, but transport more material in less time.
In that case, the only issue is dumping, and depending on circumstances, I can see why some will, and some won't spread with the tailgate. Same around here... the county trucks WILL (and they have a little belly blade they use to spread it when they do), and many owner-ops will tailgate, but COMPANY drivers won't, because companies don't submit to the risks.
A box-blade to spread is the better scenario, and just invest the quality time. Yeah, it takes alot. Got a grandkid that can operate the skid-steer? A half mile drive will take a while, but bein' able to bucket it part-way will speed it up lots.
Aside from that, I own a light tandem dump trailer. I haul firewood, trash, gravel, sand, dirt, and scrap metal with it. The truck has maneuvering advantages, but the trailer defeats those with versatility. I can park the trailer in one spot, hand-load it full of scrap, dirt, or whatever... then pull it with the D17 to driveway, hitch it up, and head down the road. I can pick up a load of compost, pull it home, unhitch, pull it to the back with the D17, park and tarp it, and when weekend comes around and she wants to spread compost, I hook it with the D17, pull it alongside the gardens, and we hand-unload.
It WILL tailgate. Yes, balance CAN become an issue, but not with it locked to the D17. If I need to unload PART, I just swing the gate open, drive the Kubota up to it, and knife out a bit onto the ground, pull forward, do it again. I can drive the Kubota up INTO the trailer to unload or load it. Can't do that with a dumptruck, it's too tall.
Registration is something like $25/yr here...
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Posted: 29 Mar 2022 at 7:16am |
I know this is an old thread and probably a moot point by now.
I have a 14K Suretrac 14' x 7' dump trailer. It's a very handy trailer to have. I've used it around the yard, to haul one tractor, wood and many other things. When I built my garage in 2011, my intention was to haul all the fill I needed with the dump trailer. After I hauled a few loads of #2 stone, one of the guys I was working with suggested that I look into having a local trucker haul the rest. The guy brought me two loads (about 60 tons +/-) for $500. I couldn't come close to hauling it for that.
The dealer I bought the trailer from had a sign up in his yard that said "NEED MORE FRIENDS - BUY A TRAILER". Truer words were never spoken!!!
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Posted: 29 Mar 2022 at 6:46am |
I am a large fan of Moritz Trailers. Their tail gates are dual purpose, can be set up to open like a dump truck -OR- like a traditional double door. Box vibrators can be added for sticky material
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Posted: 29 Mar 2022 at 6:38am |
You can spread with a trailer if you buy the right one. Here in Michigan, unless you do a lot of it, a trailer is way more economical than a truck. Michigan plates + Michigan No Fault insurance= small fortune to own a dump truck. Trailer is a one time plate fee and it is good for the life of the trailer......or you......LOL
I heard a mention on this post about 50.00 a month for insurance being expensive. Thats 600 for a year and that is DIRT CHEAP here in Michigan. I dont own a dump truck so I dont know for sure, but going off what I do know, I doubt 50.00 would buy a week of Michigan No Fault insurance on a commercially plated dump truck
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Posted: 29 Mar 2022 at 3:46am |
At the end of the day it all depends on your budget. A dump truck would be the most suitable for you. You can look out for used one, shouldn't be too expensive. webuyanytruk.com is one of the good website. There's a team of consultants that's always on stand ready to help you out. All information they require from you is your budget and your preferences. If you don't know what you wish to buy, then the consultant may ask you some questions to figure out which type of truck is the one for you. Buying an old truck is way more beneficial because you can always sell it at a higher price depending on the market
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 5:40pm |
Here's one in OK that seems reasonable.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 7:10am |
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That's expensive insurance 50 a month, FB here in Mo that's for a year on a farm licenced truck, my opinion your better off hiring a good dump trucker do it, it'll be a lot cheaper in the long run
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 6:18am |
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Our 800' of drive when put in new took 8 24t loads of 2"clean, then expanded the upper end of it with another six loads. The hauler once the lane was compacted by other trucks 'Sealed' it with another 7 loads of inch minus(inch down to fines).
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 5:39am |
course now I'm wondering just how MANY loads it'd take to gravel the half mile ( 2500 feet ) driveway, of say 3/4 minus or 3/4 crusherrun or whatever you call 'driveway making' gravel.
As pointed out it could be the 'time vs money' problem. 2hrs per load,say 3hrs cause you have to unload,pee, and doit all again and again and again... You might be able to work amd make money to pay (or help pay) for a trucker to do the runs.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 10:23pm |
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For a half mile driveway I would get someone with a bellydump trailer to do it. An experienced driver should be able to give a nice even spread as thick or thin as you want.
I pulled them for 9 years. I graveled a lot of township roads and driveways. 12 loads to a mile, 25 ton per load, gave about 2-3" spread shoulder to shoulder.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:19pm |
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One thing you have to remember is to just make sure the area your tailgating is some what flat for a dump truck and dump trailers are even worse.. I own a Pete 378 tri axle dump truck I run everday for a local quarry and I tailgate at least one load every day and after 10 years I have it figured out what chain link I need it hooked to for whatever thickness they want the stone. I am always puzzled when some guys can not tailgate a load of stone after doing it for years.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:56pm |
I used to tailgate gravel with a KW--w-900 and 28' dump trailer all the time, ---No problem doing it either. Just gotta watch what you are doing, tree limbs, power lines, etc. will need to be checked before you go in.
I had air-tailgate and had the valve switch in the cab to trip when I started the run, chains set on trailer and drove the right speed. Never had to have a grader after I spread, so it can be done. If you have that long drive to make to the pit, then you will be money ahead to hire it hauled instead of your own unit. Time and gas are expensive, so factor that in. If your drive is clear of BIG tree limbs and power lines, ANY guy with a semi can haul/spread with no problem. --- 25 tons per load.---I ran 25 to 30 tons and had no problem doing it, so check your local trucking companies!
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 6:15pm |
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We made a rock trailer at the farm took a tandem truck removed tha cab and moved the front axle back behind the front edge of the box.cut and bent the frame to make a hitch. Youneed a big tractor to operate it. We use a CIH 9270 a JD 8430 is the smallest you can put on it. Use the tractor hydraulics to operate it.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 11:55am |
OK, how about asking local excavating companies, house builders, ?? that NEED a place to dump 'fill' ? You've got a looooong driveway and I assume access is good. I know someone who did this and got his driveway widened and higher doing this.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 11:25am |
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I've got a 6x10 12v dump with 2 6000 axles and also bought a non running junk dump truck. Torched the cab off ,added a hitch to the frame from a burnt Vermeer baler and changed the cyl out to a double acting and use it only on the farm for dirt and rock. After 5 trips to the quarry , I can pay the delivery fee cheaper than I can do it at 4 ton a trip. The small trailer is good for mulch and trash... The old truk trailer is rough but works good only on the place. Do the math for a year,paying someone to haul will be cheaper than either unless you are using it every day.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:18am |
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My neighbor buddy used to charge by how far you were from quarry but now everyone pays the same. Less complaints. His driver, also son-in-law, took over the hauling part of his business this year. He's very good at spreading rock and the funny thing is all these years he wanted weekends off. Now baby on the way and owning his own trucking business he suddenly hauls on weekends too! We rib him good about that.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:13am |
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I use my local fertilizer herbicide lime gravel company. Can't remember what price they charged but they did such a nice job of dropping it out the back of the truck that I didn't have to do a thing other than pay.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:38am |
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Company that delivers my rock prefers full loads, charges the same delivery fee regardless 5/10/24t as based on fuel, miles from quarry for truck maintenance, number of loads delivered and if spread, add a tad to cover driver extra time wages.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:00am |
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In my area of NE, I don't call the quarry, I call different rock delivery trucking companies to ask what they offer. If they promise 1 thing and don't deliver, then short the check, when u pay the bill. You can even tell this to them up front. If it costs a little extra to get it the way you want it, then pay the piper! |
Same here in central IL. I have never called the quarry. Gotta find a good delivery driver, best through or with a reference. Last dump I had in was through an excavating company.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 6:13am |
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In my area of NE, I don't call the quarry, I call different rock delivery trucking companies to ask what they offer. If they promise 1 thing and don't deliver, then short the check, when u pay the bill. You can even tell this to them up front. If it costs a little extra to get it the way you want it, then pay the piper!
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 1:52am |
I've had a single axle around for years. 1978 Chevy and now 1991 Ford Super duty. I bought a dump because the big boys could not dump and spread under low power lines at some properties. I can't say that it's cheaper to own your own truck. I just had mine towed 40 miles and a clutch put in for $1200. Plates are $90, liability around $400, they all love the gas loaded or not. I use mine for firewood hauling, trips to the landfill for heavy dense material and put an extension ladder in the bed to reach some street lights I couldn't reach otherwise. My complaint is that while I can spread failrly well I don't have much luck dumping a parttial load. Can't get the bed down quick enough to keep stone on it for a second dump. Noticed a sign at one quarry I go to that there is a $20 extra charge for any load under 2 ton, I could haul 5 or more but always haul 4 or so to hopefully not break something.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:50pm |
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He did say it was a 2 hour round trip to the quarry. I don't know if you get much snow in winter but an old town or county truck with a plow might be nice for a 1/2 mile driveway.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:34pm |
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last time I went for rock for my driveway I took one of my gravity flow wagons. figgered how much I carry on it with corn/beans and loaded at the quarry accordingly. got home, open the side gate and get in and drive slow. leveled it out with tractor and blade. i'm not far from the quarry so it worked well. there are also guys around here that dump/spread with their dump trailers, they are good at it, they have the dump controls wired into the cab of what ever they are pulling with, i'm sure they won't do sideways sloped drives. and years ago I used a fertilizer/lime spreader truck to haul and spread rock on my driveway, go slow at idle and it would spread perfect! guess I would go with a trailer, one less motor to keep up and smaller tires and licencing is cheaper.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:14pm |
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I have tailgated thousands of loads of rock. And I have trimmed many trees. Sounds to me like the company or drive was just to lazy to do the job.Holy shnitsky $200 to haul a 15Ton of rock, I must need to move to OK. I will drive 10-15 miles and charge $5 a ton. If you get a dump truck it does take a little practice to get good at spreading. Watch for POWER LINES! |
After a few barley pops, one night, I was spreadin a load of RC6 on the farm road, bed went up, but I fergot to open the gate, load shifted, then the lil spring clip that holds the clutch fork in, broke, truck did a wheelie, drive shaft twisted up, fell off, man what a ride! 
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 8:41pm |
I have tailgated thousands of loads of rock. And I have trimmed many trees. Sounds to me like the company or drive was just to lazy to do the job. Holy shnitsky $200 to haul a 15Ton of rock, I must need to move to OK. I will drive 10-15 miles and charge $5 a ton. If you get a dump truck it does take a little practice to get good at spreading. Watch for POWER LINES!
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 5:50pm |
If you go the DT route, and the body has a few holes, you can line it with HDPE dump bed liner, cheap, and not much sticks to it...
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 5:47pm |
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Dump trailers are not worth sh%& for hauling dirt. Gravel, just o k. They dont dump at high enough angle if your material is the least bit sticky. Went thru that last week. Glad I only borrowed the trailer.
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