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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:26am |
I have a half mile driveway I want to spread my own gravel on. Had 2 trucks out already that have just been able to dump only. Then I spend all day scooping and spreading.
So I've started looking at mechanic specials, 80s era dumps. Single axle and Tandem axles. My dad suggested a dump trailer. Not many used trailers like that around. I was looking at a new 16' gooseneck dump trailer for around $10k.
You guys have any thoughts or experience you'll share? Appreciate it.
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 10:10am |
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We use dump trailers at work for haul off. Not had much luck spreading gravel nicely. A truck will handle much more material than a 3/4 or 1 ton pulling a trailer. Truck would have to be insured for hwy use and 20” truck tires expensive and no one wants to fix split rims. Around here a good dump truck can be had for the price of a small dump trailer.
In my option I’d be looking for a dump truck. I’ve hauled lots of gravel and sand in a grain truck. Dad had a dump gate for one of our grain trucks when I was a young’en. Switch out for grain gate during harvest. I recently saw a very nice 1968 Dodge grain truck with 27000 miles sell for $1200.00
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 10:45am |
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Need to be moving when trip the gate with bed STARTED up, hard to do with a trailer unless can plumb air to it. Trucks use chains to limit gate opening and drivers learn speed needed to maintain a even flow. Large trailers is a NO CAN DO for spreading, tip like on a pin point.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 10:47am |
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A DECENT small dump truck the bed is not full of holes with a diesel and air brakes will be as much as the new trailer. Old Gas with hydraulic brakes can usually see for $3-5000. Only grief is gas souring, carburetor fouling brake tubes rotting off and leaks.
Have to ask, lots of trees above where spreading? If are you will find Few that will drag a raised bed thru them as flips them like a dime.
Edited by DMiller - 17 Jun 2019 at 10:49am
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Dave H
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 10:57am |
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Can't you specify with the delivery company/driver that the rock has to be tailgated?
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Pat the Plumber CIL
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 12:27pm |
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Check license fees for dump truck . Farmers here in Illinois can get farm plates and it doesn't cost much to license . A,friend of mine bought a used truck for his construction business. By the time he paid for the plates , insurance, C class license to drive , truck inspections , maintenance, etc , probably better off with a trailer . Trailers are smaller and cannot tailgate gravel .
Pick your poison. I would think finding a trucker that can tailgate would be the way to go . Now if you can find more jobs for that dump truck than rocking the drive ,,,
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 1:24pm |
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You cant spread with a trailer get the truck.i bought a well used single axle dump truck put a thousand dollars into it to get it safe for road use. Lisenced personal truck notcommercial and put liability insurance on it. It wasnt to bad to insure a d plates werent bad i used it way more than i thought i would it was great for towing the trailer and hauled gravel and manure for the garden. After 20 years i sold it for what i paid for when i bought it. Single axle dump truckes are always easy to sell when you no longer need them. If you drive them a few times a year you wont get the storage blues. I used to go out in the fall and fill the bed with stacked fire wood and park it inthetractor shed. It held 2 full cord when stacked and stayed dry parked inside.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 3:23pm |
Thanks guys. As always appreciate all your input. I knew I came to the right place. ;)
On the quarry I asked to have it spread, but they just said they're drivers may or may not spread. They're just required to dump. Now their are guys around that do specialize in that. They charge a little more. I think I paid $280 for 13 or 15 tons last year (can't remember what those tandems haul). That was like $80 in rock and $200 delivery. This is off the top of my head...
I did check on insurance and my insurance guy quoted me $50/mo for liability. In OK we can tag farm and pay not very much, plus no CDL req'd for farm tag.
I am liking a single axle, but also I was thinking going tandem to haul more as quarry is a 2 hour round trip.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 5:06pm |
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What Pat said, insurance companies evidently thinks dump truck drivers should be on hardship/DWI rates.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 5:47pm |
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Dump trailers are not worth sh%& for hauling dirt. Gravel, just o k. They dont dump at high enough angle if your material is the least bit sticky. Went thru that last week. Glad I only borrowed the trailer.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 5:50pm |
If you go the DT route, and the body has a few holes, you can line it with HDPE dump bed liner, cheap, and not much sticks to it... 
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 8:41pm |
I have tailgated thousands of loads of rock. And I have trimmed many trees. Sounds to me like the company or drive was just to lazy to do the job. Holy shnitsky $200 to haul a 15Ton of rock, I must need to move to OK. I will drive 10-15 miles and charge $5 a ton. If you get a dump truck it does take a little practice to get good at spreading. Watch for POWER LINES!
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:14pm |
 festus51 wrote:
I have tailgated thousands of loads of rock. And I have trimmed many trees. Sounds to me like the company or drive was just to lazy to do the job.Holy shnitsky $200 to haul a 15Ton of rock, I must need to move to OK. I will drive 10-15 miles and charge $5 a ton. If you get a dump truck it does take a little practice to get good at spreading. Watch for POWER LINES! |
After a few barley pops, one night, I was spreadin a load of RC6 on the farm road, bed went up, but I fergot to open the gate, load shifted, then the lil spring clip that holds the clutch fork in, broke, truck did a wheelie, drive shaft twisted up, fell off, man what a ride!
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:24pm |
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That is funny Dave!!!!!!
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:34pm |
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last time I went for rock for my driveway I took one of my gravity flow wagons. figgered how much I carry on it with corn/beans and loaded at the quarry accordingly. got home, open the side gate and get in and drive slow. leveled it out with tractor and blade. i'm not far from the quarry so it worked well. there are also guys around here that dump/spread with their dump trailers, they are good at it, they have the dump controls wired into the cab of what ever they are pulling with, i'm sure they won't do sideways sloped drives. and years ago I used a fertilizer/lime spreader truck to haul and spread rock on my driveway, go slow at idle and it would spread perfect! guess I would go with a trailer, one less motor to keep up and smaller tires and licencing is cheaper.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:50pm |
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He did say it was a 2 hour round trip to the quarry. I don't know if you get much snow in winter but an old town or county truck with a plow might be nice for a 1/2 mile driveway.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 10:13pm |
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 1:52am |
I've had a single axle around for years. 1978 Chevy and now 1991 Ford Super duty. I bought a dump because the big boys could not dump and spread under low power lines at some properties. I can't say that it's cheaper to own your own truck. I just had mine towed 40 miles and a clutch put in for $1200. Plates are $90, liability around $400, they all love the gas loaded or not. I use mine for firewood hauling, trips to the landfill for heavy dense material and put an extension ladder in the bed to reach some street lights I couldn't reach otherwise. My complaint is that while I can spread failrly well I don't have much luck dumping a parttial load. Can't get the bed down quick enough to keep stone on it for a second dump. Noticed a sign at one quarry I go to that there is a $20 extra charge for any load under 2 ton, I could haul 5 or more but always haul 4 or so to hopefully not break something.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 6:13am |
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In my area of NE, I don't call the quarry, I call different rock delivery trucking companies to ask what they offer. If they promise 1 thing and don't deliver, then short the check, when u pay the bill. You can even tell this to them up front. If it costs a little extra to get it the way you want it, then pay the piper!
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:00am |
tomNE wrote:
In my area of NE, I don't call the quarry, I call different rock delivery trucking companies to ask what they offer. If they promise 1 thing and don't deliver, then short the check, when u pay the bill. You can even tell this to them up front. If it costs a little extra to get it the way you want it, then pay the piper! |
Same here in central IL. I have never called the quarry. Gotta find a good delivery driver, best through or with a reference. Last dump I had in was through an excavating company.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:38am |
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Company that delivers my rock prefers full loads, charges the same delivery fee regardless 5/10/24t as based on fuel, miles from quarry for truck maintenance, number of loads delivered and if spread, add a tad to cover driver extra time wages.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:13am |
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I use my local fertilizer herbicide lime gravel company. Can't remember what price they charged but they did such a nice job of dropping it out the back of the truck that I didn't have to do a thing other than pay.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:18am |
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My neighbor buddy used to charge by how far you were from quarry but now everyone pays the same. Less complaints. His driver, also son-in-law, took over the hauling part of his business this year. He's very good at spreading rock and the funny thing is all these years he wanted weekends off. Now baby on the way and owning his own trucking business he suddenly hauls on weekends too! We rib him good about that.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 11:25am |
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I've got a 6x10 12v dump with 2 6000 axles and also bought a non running junk dump truck. Torched the cab off ,added a hitch to the frame from a burnt Vermeer baler and changed the cyl out to a double acting and use it only on the farm for dirt and rock. After 5 trips to the quarry , I can pay the delivery fee cheaper than I can do it at 4 ton a trip. The small trailer is good for mulch and trash... The old truk trailer is rough but works good only on the place. Do the math for a year,paying someone to haul will be cheaper than either unless you are using it every day.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 11:55am |
OK, how about asking local excavating companies, house builders, ?? that NEED a place to dump 'fill' ? You've got a looooong driveway and I assume access is good. I know someone who did this and got his driveway widened and higher doing this.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 6:15pm |
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We made a rock trailer at the farm took a tandem truck removed tha cab and moved the front axle back behind the front edge of the box.cut and bent the frame to make a hitch. Youneed a big tractor to operate it. We use a CIH 9270 a JD 8430 is the smallest you can put on it. Use the tractor hydraulics to operate it.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:56pm |
I used to tailgate gravel with a KW--w-900 and 28' dump trailer all the time, ---No problem doing it either. Just gotta watch what you are doing, tree limbs, power lines, etc. will need to be checked before you go in.
I had air-tailgate and had the valve switch in the cab to trip when I started the run, chains set on trailer and drove the right speed. Never had to have a grader after I spread, so it can be done. If you have that long drive to make to the pit, then you will be money ahead to hire it hauled instead of your own unit. Time and gas are expensive, so factor that in. If your drive is clear of BIG tree limbs and power lines, ANY guy with a semi can haul/spread with no problem. --- 25 tons per load.---I ran 25 to 30 tons and had no problem doing it, so check your local trucking companies!
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:19pm |
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One thing you have to remember is to just make sure the area your tailgating is some what flat for a dump truck and dump trailers are even worse.. I own a Pete 378 tri axle dump truck I run everday for a local quarry and I tailgate at least one load every day and after 10 years I have it figured out what chain link I need it hooked to for whatever thickness they want the stone. I am always puzzled when some guys can not tailgate a load of stone after doing it for years.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 10:23pm |
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For a half mile driveway I would get someone with a bellydump trailer to do it. An experienced driver should be able to give a nice even spread as thick or thin as you want.
I pulled them for 9 years. I graveled a lot of township roads and driveways. 12 loads to a mile, 25 ton per load, gave about 2-3" spread shoulder to shoulder.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 5:39am |
course now I'm wondering just how MANY loads it'd take to gravel the half mile ( 2500 feet ) driveway, of say 3/4 minus or 3/4 crusherrun or whatever you call 'driveway making' gravel.
As pointed out it could be the 'time vs money' problem. 2hrs per load,say 3hrs cause you have to unload,pee, and doit all again and again and again... You might be able to work amd make money to pay (or help pay) for a trucker to do the runs.
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