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squirt239 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
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I'm new to this...as previously stated. So, I apologize for my ignorance. I have to rookie questions.
1. I have a D14, and just acquired a 3 bottom plow. Will the D14 pull it? I'm familiar with 3 point, but not with the snap coupler. Is there a user's manual on how to do it? 2. I have no weight in/on my wheels. Do I need it? Recently, I had an old timer (I say that respectfully, not as a slam) tell me to put either antifreeze or windshield washer fluid in the inner tubes. Does anyone else do this? I'm trying to avoid calcium for obvious reasons. Again, I'm a newbie. Forgive my ignorance! Brett Havlin Brownsburg, Indiana |
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Boss Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 03 Mar 2018 Location: Greenleaf, WI Points: 617 |
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Depends on the soil but around here D-14's are better suited with 2 bottoms. There's newer stuff for in the wheels thats not calcium. Its not as corrosive. Never heard of using antifreeze or windshield washer solution. You wouldn't gain as much weight using those.
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tomNE ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: dorchester, ne Points: 1225 |
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washer fluid is the 2nd most uses around here after calcium. 2 bottom plow tractor. anti-freeze would be expensive. maybe U-tube for snap coupler. i learned on snap coupler, so its 2nd nature to me.
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AC from the start of my families farming career till the end!
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12172 |
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Weight of some sort will certainly help you pull any plow. But 3 bottoms would be a lot no matter what. What size bottoms, 14 or 16 inches? Makes more difference than you might think.
Better to have a setup that goes fairly easy most of the time and have a little reserve for a hill or tough spot than something maxed out from the get go. |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87804 |
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Just take one bottom OFF.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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squirt239 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
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Well, if anyone is interested in a 3 bottom plow here in Indiana...😁
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john(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |
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Load the rears with Beet Juice. As was stated, take the third bottom off. You will then have a fine plowing machine, and some good spare parts for the two bottom plow.
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D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
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squirt239 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
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Good idea! Thanks!
So, no to washer fluid? |
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3912 |
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I think what they're saying is washer fluid is great alternative to Cal Chl but is rather expensive. Have never priced beet juice. Neither is as heavy as CC.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8626 |
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Tire place here quit the beet juice. Didn't get full explanation just know they were dissatisfied with it.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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A gallon of washer fluid/antifreeze is at least 8 #'s/ gallon. I have no idea how to do the calculations of tire sq.inches/ fluid volume, but I'll bet the above 2 products are somewhat cheap #'s /$$$
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DaveSB ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Aug 2012 Location: mocksville, nc Points: 243 |
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My D14 will pull a 2 bottom snap coupler 16” plow pretty much anywhere, but adding a 3rd bottom it would have to be good soil that is worked every year for it to pull it. I’ve seen D14’s pull 3 bottoms, but it always seemed like more than they wanted. I’d do like the others said and remove 1 bottom, and it should plow great. A good 3 point hitch conversion will pull 3 point plows every bit as good as a snap coupler plow, notice I said a good one, designed like ALLIS did, where the top link goes down to the pulling arms and not to a bracket hooked behind the seat. Just saying if you had a good 3 point plow already or available.
As far as fluid in tires, yes you will need it or the steel wheel weights, would help quite a bit. There are alternatives to calcium available today, just not as heavy. To me it depends on how good you maintain your tractor. I use calcium in mine, no problem, you just have to be vigilant with them, any signs of leakage or loss of pressure, get them repaired immediately. Because it will ruin your expensive rims, so keep a good eye on it. Calcium is all my tire shop installs, they want stock anything else for them and says what I told you, if any leakage or questions of leakage, get it fixed that day or the next. I know , can be a lot of trouble if you need the tractor now, but most people have a second tractor to use. Good luck with the plowing, a D14 is one of the best plowing tractors I’ve ever used. |
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24675 |
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I've pulled a 3 btm plow for 20 years behind 'Troy', my 1st D-14. even turinging over 30 years old 'pastures' ,it does a GREAT job ! 1st thing to do , is take an angle grinder with coarse grit sanding wheels and CLEAN the moldboard and points or whatever you call th steel that goes into the ground and turns dirt over. Shiny and smooooth is what you want. then adjust the plow using the 'beaming screw' to set the angle the plow digs into the soil. Adjust the right side arm to getthe correct 'left -right' tilt. OK, I don't know the correct terms but.. the beauty of the Snap Couple system is that 'setup' only needs to be done ONCE. Heck I've used the other 3 D-14s to pull the blade..NO adjustments needed. THAT is really,really handy for a 'nonfarmer' guy like me ! when done for the season, while the blade is shiny, spraypaint over the shiny areas. Just a light coat, then next spring, hookup and plow.......the ground will wear off the paint in 50-100 feet. The left rear tire is loaded, right is just air....it's just the combination that allowed all 3 D-14s to have matching tire sizes......
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5102 |
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A set of D14/15 pie weights might seem expensive to start with, however they won't run down the ditch when you get a flat. also fixing that flat will be much less expensive and no worries about rusting rims.
Yes, a D14 will be better suited to a 2 bottom.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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squirt239 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
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I love this forum.
Thank you everyone for your experience and input. Thank you also for not making me feel stupid for asking newbie rookie questions! You guys are awesome! I don't know of any beet juice available locally. But, I'll check around. I'm not active enough to monitor the tractor for CC leaks, so that's not an option. I'm a career firefighter, and a hobby "farmer." And I use the term farmer EXTREMELY loosely. Hobbyist at best, but more like learning what not to do. I missed my calling as a farm hand. I've grown up around farms and animals, but never got any education in it. I regret that now. I have a lot of respect for all of you and your expertise. Thanks again for helping me out with my ventures! Stay safe and hope you all had a very blessed Resurrection Day! |
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3912 |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 54105 |
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A D-14 with a good strong motor and clutch might pull 3-16, but another solution would be 3 14" bottoms...
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rw ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2009 Location: United States Points: 384 |
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If you need the added weight calcium is affordable and available. The rims on our international loader tractor failed after 40 plus years and a number of flats from steel t posts. The cost of the wheels was not that bad. It takes a lot of iron to match the pounds you get with the calcium.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24675 |
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If you go with pie weights, be SURE to inspect your rims NOW for hairline fractures starting at the square bolt mounting holes ! I have 2 or 3 here with the cracks...I assume it's from loose pie weights banging and beating up the rim. I'd add a section of rubber,maybe 'sill plate gasket' foam,then the weight AND have a lock washer on the nut as well. Then inspect them 2-3x a year. I bet the weights ain't cheap to buy..hmm wonder what 'inside liquid' costs ? Bet that ain't cheep eitehr...... Jay
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6369 |
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Local tire place uses windshield washer fluid. It's 8 lbs per so per gallon. Sometimes you can find jugs of the stuff on sale for a $1. That is still 38 or so jugs to get 150 lbs per side.
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Charlie
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Gary (sw Wis.) ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: S.W. Wis. Points: 216 |
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I pull 3 -14s with my D14 in good soil, mostly creek bottoms. I don't believe it would pull it on rough ground.
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190XT - D17 - D14 - WD45 w/loader - WD - (2)B110 - 616H - 610 - B-208 - WD with 190 Mounted Corn Picker - All Crop 60
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12172 |
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Something to consider, the original poster is new and inexperienced. Not to say he can’t figure it out, heck maybe he’s a total natural. But I still say, better to use something that works easily. You can always grab a little faster gear if things go easy as pie. If he takes one bottom off and the plow pulls like a hot piano wire through butter, put it back on.
According to jay a long time ago, most of his plowing is garden soil that gets plowed several times per year! That’s not really plowing. Yes, he said 30 year pasture went good, but I have to wonder. Bottom ground, rough ground, sod, hills, ballast, ....so many variables. Can it be done? Sure. Good luck to the OP. |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 54105 |
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Jay, I've seen those hairline cracks, on tractors that never had pie weights on them. I suspect they had a bad batch, from the factory, at some point!
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87804 |
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The WORST hole you can put in sheetmetal is SQUARE.. As you flex, twist, etc.. all the stresses concentrate at the corners and cause crack.. Especially since a square hole is PUNCHED and could have imperfections at the corners. Always better to have ROUND holes unless absolutely necessary.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24675 |
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well I got 'conned' into plowing 2, 1 acre gardens out of pasture today, Troy did very well....1st ,low range.meter said 1.5MPH,I think....no problems 'cept for 2 ROCKS. It'd have been easier if the landowner hadn't strung a row of grapes across the field.... oh well, light showers now, saw some worms too ! Interesting about the fractures with no weights. I'd always assumed previous owners had weights on, they'd get a little loose, bang,bang, bang..crack......out of 10 rims, 3 have the cracks. Makes sense about the square hole is bad though ! Jay
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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Hubert (Ga)engine7 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6467 |
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Brett, no problem with the ignorance, that is curable. None of us on here knows everything. I grew up on an Allis B and WD but I still ask questions on this Forum and I have learned a lot. Stupidity on the other hand --- as they taught us in EMT school "there ain't no cure for stupid."
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Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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Jordan(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Celina, OH Points: 1564 |
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Well, are you plowing an acre, a garden, 60 acres?
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squirt239 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
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Haha!!! True statement!!! |
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squirt239 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2017 Location: Brownsburg, IN Points: 69 |
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I'm starting small. Maybe a few acres, depending on how well it goes. Back story: I have 92 acres that is family ground. It's mostly wooded and used for hunting. However, since I've been the caretaker, I've cleared 20ish acres into pasture. I'd like to plant a large garden to grow items for the local farmer's market. My wife and I have 3 kids in 4H and would like to see them maybe take it over at some point. It's more of a dream hobby than a livelihood. |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87804 |
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You could do a few acres with 2 bottoms and no weights. Start small for the first year and see how it goes.. You can add weight next winter for the following year as needed.. Once you plow the sod and get it done one year, you might find it is easier the second / third year and no weights are needed ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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