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Tbone95
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Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 11:07am |
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Yep. All of which has precisely nothing to do with "accuracy". |
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 9:25am |
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In Centigrade there are 100 degrees between ice and steam from distilled water at sea level. In Fahrenheit there are 180 degrees for that range. So the tehmperature change for one degree is smaller in Fahrenheit.
Both schemes were devised based on physical constants. Fahrenheit picked 0 as the coldest temperature he could get ice with salt, and 100 as normal human body temperature. He wasn't perfect as today we figure 98.6 F as normal body temperature. Celsius picked the freezing temperature of pure water as zero and the boiling point at sea level pressure as 100. And its now known that freezing of water is 32F and boiling is 212F. The only troubles with these as calibration points is that they are affected by the purity of the water and boiling by the atmospheric pressure so even more by altitude. There are other standards for temperature. At least Reaumur, Kelvin, and Rankine. Gerald J. |
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Tbone95
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Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 7:00am |
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Anyone know the first US President to consider switching to the metric system, but after consideration considered it to be too expensive?
.... .... Thomas Jefferson! True. |
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Tbone95
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Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:57am |
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Because 285-75 R406.4 would look funny?
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Tbone95
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Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:55am |
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I understand your rant. But just for fun, can you please tell me how Fahrenheit is "more accurate"? |
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Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:51am |
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HAHAHAHAHA! Oh man! I can relate to that one brother! On so many levels! |
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DougS
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 10:26am |
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They use carbs in anything other than small engines nowadays?
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 10:22am |
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I KNOW here in Ontario when we 'went to the dark size'...... a LOT of farmers got done in by the official govenment 'conversion' charts as to what the M-stuff was. fert rates, etc. were all WRONG.....Now the 'old guys' who kept doing what thay'd done for 30-40-50 years were fine...but the 'city slickerwannabe farmers', well, they didn't fare so well...
as for engines... how are CARBS rated these days? CFM or ????? Jay |
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 10:19am |
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Somewhere along that history Allis Chalmers changed to Deutz Allis and the Deutz company that bought the remains of Alllis was European and by that time I think European standards insisted on metric measurements and metric standard hardware for imported equipment. Unfortunately there are multiple metric standards around the world for hardware and they don't always agree on standard sizes and thread pitches.
Imperial as used in the UK is different than inches used in the USA. For bolts and nuts generally the same diameters but different thread pitches. 8mm looks the same diameter as 5/16" to the eye and the micrometer (within 0.0025") but the threads won't mate. 11mm and 7/16 are very close and 19mm and 3/4" are only .0.002" apart. 5/8" and 16mm are .005" apart. Most other common metric dimensions aren't so close. As I recall, the engine in my '73 Pinto wagon was metric but everything else was fractional hardware. Gerald J. |
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 9:46am |
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Even tho the country went metric years ago, the country roads are still 1 mile apart! Or is that 1.6 Km? And we still measure our harvest in bushels per acre.
Wait a minute----wasn't this post about engine sizes?? LOL Edited by Alberta Phil - 24 Nov 2016 at 9:47am |
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 9:31am |
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Ever notice tire sizes? 285-75 r16 why is the tire in metric but the rim is always standard?
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 8:27am |
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There is ZERO technical reason to ever go 'Metric'....
and even when 'they' do, like us Canucks north of the 49th, 'they' STILL rely on IMPERIAL measurements for IMPORTANT issues ! We've been metric since the first Trudeau( mid 70s???).. YET EVERYTIME 'they' want us to help 'them' find a bad guy, he's reported as being... 6 FOOT two, 220 POUNDS....... IF we're supposed to be Metric, what's with the feet, inches and pounds ??? Idiots..... Now 'supposedly' we're selling to the 'world' market and they are mostly metric BUT , build a better ,cheaper mousetrap and they WILL buy it, be it in inches or sillymeters..... The real problem is WE can't build ANYTHING 'they' want...better,cheaper than they already can... One interesting tidbit is that BILLIONS of itty,bitty integrated circuits are STILL manufactured on 1/10th INCH spacing for the pins,made in them 'metric' countries ! Jay |
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 7:58am |
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I'm just a dumb old farm kid who works in an industry where everything has to be very precise. What confounds me is I deal with cabinets that sometimes can't vary more than 1.5 degrees either way but everything is in celsius, or centigrade as I learned in school. Fahrenheit is a much finer and more accurate measuring system but totally ignored in the medical field. I just play the game by the rules provided. (something I wish I'd learned to do in college)
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 7:38am |
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You tell me where the improvement is when changing to metric? Does the nut clamp better,hold better,last longer,cost effective,(heaven forbid)easier to remember, and have you seen the size of a mechanics tool box these days? Maybe we sent a man to the moon using the metric system, but how the heck did a man walking on the moon help me and my family or your family in a personal way? Sure it's interesting to learn about the moon and planets and we sure need them in place for everything to work right, but at such an ungodly cost to the taxpayer, or that benefits us as individuals? I'm not aiming these thoughts at any of you, so please don't be insulted. I have no idea how I got from metric wrenches to walking on the moon and everything in between. Guess I'm getting older and dumber. Waiting on the wiser part and it hasn't shown up yet.
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Dick L
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 7:26am |
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So the US built the largest economy ever using fractions. When the rest of the world figured a way called metric, so they could try to understand how to keep up,
but still couldn't, that we need to dumb down to make things more even. How has that been working out for our economy? Looks to me like the dumbing down has been working well.
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 6:55am |
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part of the 'world economy'... 'free trade' etc. is the 'need ' to go metric..
2 ways, soft and hard... soft, only the numbers on paper are Metric hard, the 'stuff' really IS Metric Ford up here found a HUGE problem when going 'hard' as wheel nuts lookd a lot alike and bins full of 1/2-fine got impacted onto Metric studs ! NOT one of their finer days...... All 'world class' vehicles made since early 80s are METRIC... Jay |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 6:54am |
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True and we've done it for awhile but that's about to change,fortunately for us most of the rest of the World has done worse than we have. |
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 6:51am |
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But if you sit on your laurels the rest of the world will pass you by. |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 6:47am |
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Changed about the same time AC went belly up BTW,when you're the #1 economy in the World you get to have a lot of things your way. |
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 6:26am |
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But we wisely kept the english system for most everything else... Heritage, not hate...
Back in college, I had to convert from inch to metric, and back, so many times, I was sick of it. Hadda prof ask me to convert a pint to metric, so's I said, without missing a beat 473 ml, he asked me to do the math, or show how I arrived at that figure. So I calmly pulled out an empty bud tall boy, and pointed it out on the label... He never asked me again...
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SteveC(NS)
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 5:42am |
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Do you mean the U.S. of A. changed something to metric designation? Wow! wonders never cease.
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 12:09am |
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They changed to metric designation so the 301 (2800) became a 649...6 cylinder 4.9 liter. T indicated turbocharged, I intercooled. So for example you had a 433T 433I 649 649T 649I 670T 670I etc.
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CrestonM
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Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 11:51pm |
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I hear these terms used all the time. I know what 301's, 426's, 516's, etc. are, but when people say things like 670T, 670I, 649T, Mark II 2900, 3500, and 25000, etc.
Some of those are the same engines, right? Just different terms?
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