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AC since 12 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 10 Nov 2015 Location: Trenton Ohio Points: 34 |
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I have a 48" Club Clipper belly mower on my B. I could not find blades for it. I fownd some Woods blades on RCS that will work. The only problem is they need new holes drilled in them. They are really hard. I have tried high speed drill bits, cobalt bits. Nothing works. I have thought about heating them before drilling, but I am not sure what this would do to the temper of the blad.It would also ruin the bit. Any suggestions.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11965 |
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Not sure what size you need to go drill? And what do you have for a "machine"? But carbide should drill it. Pricey, and in a hand drill you'll probably just chip it, but it should work.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11965 |
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Heat might be OK too. If you soften the center area of the blade, the cutting are will still hold an edge. Might wollow out the holes though, just all depends on many things..
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AC since 12 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 10 Nov 2015 Location: Trenton Ohio Points: 34 |
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7/16 is the six I need to drill. I am using a Drill Press at a low speed.
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iowallis ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 2017 Location: North Iowa Points: 351 |
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Long shot suggestion but a machine/tool and die shop with a punch press to punch the correct size hole?
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11965 |
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On a drill press, IF you want to try a carbide drill, be certain your vice is secure and other items don't have slop in them. It won't be forgiving to anything "grabby", or it will chip. A mill would be better, if you had a buddy with a Bridgeport or something.
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JTOOL ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 28 Feb 2021 Location: 64720 Points: 346 |
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I was told several years ago that if you heat it red hot and let it cool slowly, then that softens the metal. I've never tried it. I don't know if slowly means let cool back to ambient or put in warm sand or ash. Then after drilling your holes, heat it back up and then quench it in something. Again, I don't know if that means water or oil or super quench. Let us know what you end up doing.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85532 |
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At work the Machinist use to take carbide concrete drill bits and resharpen them with a cutting edge for steel.. Worked on Most hard steels... They used them to driil out broken bolts / old drill bits/ etc.
If you have a plasma cutter, you could blow the hole thru, then grind it to size.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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I agree with concrete bits. May need ear plugs, it will squeal like a pig caught in a fence . MACK
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allischalmerguy ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deep River, IA Points: 2887 |
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I would take it to a machine shop and have them do it.
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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Tracy Martin TN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gallatin,TN Points: 10694 |
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Let a machine shop do them in a vertical mill and use carbide cutter. Much better , cheaper and damn sure safer! HTH Tracy
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JTOOL ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 28 Feb 2021 Location: 64720 Points: 346 |
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Tracy,
Safety is something I thought of AFTER I posted. Probably don't want to go messing with the temper of steel. Especially at the speeds that mower blades turn. steve(ill) and MACK; What is used to sharpen/reshape the blades? Grinder? Flapper wheel? Thanks.
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JTOOL ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 28 Feb 2021 Location: 64720 Points: 346 |
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Whoops!
Not blades; concrete drill bits. Thanks.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53268 |
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Green wheel...
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11965 |
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Concrete bit is an interesting idea. Carbide tip to cut the hard metal, but steel body so not so likely to break. Carbide is a bugger to grind though, diamond does it the best.
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TramwayGuy ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11636 |
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Water jet would work really well...if you can find a shop that has one.
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AC since 12 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 10 Nov 2015 Location: Trenton Ohio Points: 34 |
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Thanks everyone. Now you have me thinking. I'll let you knoiw how this turns out.
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DonDittmar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2505 |
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bigal121892 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Location: Nebraska Points: 808 |
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There is a company called Rodman, and they make carbide drill bits, looks a lot like a hammer drill bit, but are used for drilling tough things like stainless steel.
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Ed (Ont) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: New Lowell, Ont Points: 1418 |
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Mark where you want to drill the holes. Heat a spot the size of a dime red hot. Let it cool slowly and then drill. It will drill easily. Did this several times on dump truck boxes. Lot of these boxes are made from “hardox t100” steel. Drill bits won’t do anything but squeal. After heating drilled easily. Of course that spot is now weaker so make your decision accordingly.
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Joe(TX) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Weatherford. TX Points: 1682 |
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I have done as Ed stated. Only heat a small area. A cutting torch tip works best for this.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11965 |
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There's probably 300 companies that make carbide drill bits!
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bigal121892 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Location: Nebraska Points: 808 |
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Like these?
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85532 |
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YEA Allen............ that would work !!
![]() "drill bit must be run a minimum of 2000 rpm"... WOW.. never would have guessed that. Edited by steve(ill) - 11 Mar 2021 at 9:35pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53268 |
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That reminds me of the guy demo-ing them drill bits, at the farm shows, NC accent, and a total intact finger count of 6, on both hands!
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AC since 12 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 10 Nov 2015 Location: Trenton Ohio Points: 34 |
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Well they are done. I decided to Take them to a local machine shop. As it turned out I knew the guy who worked there. He used a water pressure machine to blast the holes through. It took about 10 minutes . The holes are perfect, and the blades fit well. I also got to see their setup. The said if I need anything else let them know. It turned out to be a good experience.
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824 |
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RED HOT is a very loose term. Really red hot will cook the carbon out so you won't get it hard again. Critical temperature is where it needs to be to harden, and that varies with the type of steel. Quenching can be done with air, water or oil, depending on the type of steel. Annealing temperature is lower than the critical temperature, maybe just starting to show a red glow, and cooling should be SLOW. After re-hardening, it should be put thru a draw heat, which kinda stress relieves the part and lowers the hardness a bit so it doesn't break like glass. ![]() |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85532 |
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YEP... When FIAT and ALLIS got together, then wanted to send over TRACK CHAINS for the larger tractors.. We told them ours were TOUGH and would last forever.. They said their were HARDER !!.... ALLIS chains were like a hammer head.. TOUGH all the way thru.. FIAT chains were " red hot and quench".. Top 1/4 inch was hard as a FILE... after that it was PURE MUSH.. Wear thru the surface and they were GONE !. ... You got to know what your doing when you HARDEN STEEL.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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