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allisbred 
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 9:25am |
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With many pumps that needed rebuilt here on the farm in these past few years both on the AC tractors and JD combine, which fuel is better to use for the engine and pump? My father has been using Biodiesel and I use #2 off road. Should we still be adding ATF in both fuels when working hard? I also add lubricity supplements to the off road fuel when used for normal use. What is the best recommended products?
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ac45dave
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 9:50am |
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My practice is get my fuel from a top tier blender and add a quart of oil to every 20 gals of fuel as per the reputable pump shop in my area.I have added lubricity additive as well.In Indiana we have Country-Mark for a top tier fuel choice.A dosing of atf will help with sticking injectors also.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:06am |
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With biofuel there is no stopping the moisture it attracts. And the higher the biofuel content in your diesel fuel the worse it gets. It sucks.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 12:04pm |
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There's issues with separation with bio. I would avoid it if possible.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 1:58pm |
AC Dave/Allisbred How much oil (what grade)/ATF are you adding to your fuel? Hopefully injectionpumped will chime in. Your choices sound cheaper than Standadyne additive.
What ever happened to the day that corn fed livestock and sugar was in Coke. Now their is corn in my gas tank and in my coke?!?
Edited by ebowman - 16 Jul 2020 at 1:59pm
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PaulB
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 2:18pm |
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I now prefer to use the PowerService products at recommended dosages. I've been using that exclusively for more than 30 years and no problems with any injection pumps. I was pinching pennies back in the 80s when fuel was still under $1.00 a gallon. I found at that time I could spend $.03 more per gallon for Southern States "Super Green" diesel in the big truck that was getting about 4MPG and save money. That taught me about quality fuel. Bio Diesel is fine if you use it as quick as you get it. It doesn't tolerate being stored, even with storage enhancers. Nowadays diesel is only required to have a cetane rating of 40, look on the pump or ask your supplier what you're getting. It is easy to notice a better running engine when you use higher cetane fuel. Using cheap additives is a crap shoot. Like everything, if you buy a quality product, you know what you're getting, other than that, who knows?
Edited by PaulB - 16 Jul 2020 at 2:20pm
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 6:18pm |
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This is going back a few years, I had bought gear oil by the barrel at an auction. I tried to use it in various applications to be purposeful, I decided to add a quart to the fuel in my gravel truck, Detroit 8V92, every time at fuel up. I noticed easier cold starts and more power up the hills. At 10 years on the last in-frame it was time for a new head gasket on one bank. To my surprise there were absolutely no ridges in the liners, none whatsoever, as if they were installed a couple of months earlier and I drove that truck real hard. I have disassembled a number of diesel engines but none without ridges if they had run a few years. I give a lot of credit to the EP (extreme pressure additive - the stinky smell in gear oil) for the reduced wear. I use the gear oil in the fuel of all my diesels now.
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allisbred
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 7:07pm |
 ebowman wrote:
AC Dave/Allisbred How much oil (what grade)/ATF are you adding to your fuel? Hopefully injectionpumped will chime in. Your choices sound cheaper than Standadyne additive.
What ever happened to the day that corn fed livestock and sugar was in Coke. Now their is corn in my gas tank and in my coke?!?
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I have been using dextron 2 and what ever cleaner/lubricity adder is at Napa over the years. It is not working in my opinion.
Edited by allisbred - 16 Jul 2020 at 7:09pm
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 7:28pm |
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I add 8 oz per tank of two stroke oil on my Dodge Cummins to help lube the injectors and pump. There is a lot of info on the net if you google it. I think it helps.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 7:30pm |
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Been doing it for 12 years so it hasn't hurt.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 7:36pm |
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The PowerService products are part of the Fleetguard company, which is owned by Cummins, the only additive made by an engine company. If you're using a witches brew, it's you engine.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY
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allisbred
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 7:45pm |
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I guess my thinking is something is tearing up these o’rings and causes wear.Not sure what’s in a pump, natural rubber, Buna S, nitrile, or some other exotic material? The fellow that mentioned gear oil might be on to something with all the additives in that stuff! I have always been told old remedies, maybe there is better stuff on the market?
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 8:01pm |
PaulB wrote:
The PowerService products are part of the Fleetguard company, which is owned by Cummins, the only additive made by an engine company. If you're using a witches brew, it's you engine. |
I have been using this in the dodge Cummins only as I figured it is a newer design and is recommended on some dodge truck sites.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 8:21pm |
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Guys when I owned a farm fuel business I spent a lot of lab hours with fuel engeners testing different blends of diesel. If you are using a premium #2 fuel you don't need anything added. Most farm coops now have a premium #2 fuel. When I got out of the fuel business most independent owned fuel dealership did not have it. Ask questions of your supplier. If they tell you there is no difference between premium #2 and truck stop #2 they are either lying to you or just don't know there is a difference. I sold millions of gallons of both #2 fuels. There is a huge difference. Most truck stop fuel is designed to be used in a couple of weeks. It does not store well. It has a tendency for algie to grow in it. Premium #2 has an anti algicide added to it at the pipeline terminal. If you are using truck stop/ convience store #2 fuel you will need to add expensive additives at the recommended rate. If you have a prevent type cap on your fuel tanks the biodiesel will not be affected by moisture.
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 8:40pm |
Right or wrong I always get fuel for everything from the auto diesel pump and add 1 oz of 2 cycle oil per gallon of fuel since I read studies that 2 cycle oil was about the best thing to add to diesel to reduce wear on older injection pumps.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:20pm |
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Diesel fuel is like everything else it is all on how it taken care of.Ive seen Non bio fuel cause issue that lead back to the storage methods. I seen farms have bio fuel work great for them and others not so great. Get algae growing in fuel tanks and so forth. The JD dealership I work for had some Deere reps come in and talk about Deeres fuel additives. Yes of course they were partial to there product. but went through slides of there additives requirements and the third party testing that was done and shown there was a better product. But two thing that stuck in my head is a lot of the additives out there are for OTR truckers. Meaning there designed for quick use of fuel.And Deeres method they went with for there additives were for long time storage. For the few months some equipment is used for and then it sits rest of the year. The second is if going to use additives put in at fill up of farm barrel because if you put in when having issues your already too late.
Sorry for long rant but the point I'm going towards is not all additives are created equal some may work for some people and not for others
Edited by Krazy Karl - 16 Jul 2020 at 10:24pm
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