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LouSWPA 
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Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 10:17pm |
long story, no2 son has a lease return 2020 F150. He had to go to hosp to have his skull opened up again to get some tissue removed from where he had a massive tumor removed couple years ago. So, anyways we drove to the hosp, in his truck. I drove it home, as he was kept a couple of days. I flew airplanes that weren't as complicated as this animal! One of the features is when stopping in traffic, the engine stops! As soon as the brake peddle is released, the engine is running again! I mean the tach went to 'O', then back to normal on brake release. I never heard the starter! I was near instantaneous restart. That is all new to me. How do they do it so quick and so quiet?
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Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 11:04pm |
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 5:18am |
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Our rental car on vacation was like that. It had enough miles you could hear the starter.
I’d like to see testing on the life of batteries starters and charging components compared to a standard vehicle.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 5:19am |
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Prayers sent for your son.🙏🙏🙏
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 6:34am |
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That is getting more common on new vehicles.
Certain models have an option with the vehicles computer system, you can disable that p.i.a., I mean that ‘feature’.
Will interesting to see, in the years ahead will the ‘fuel savings’ outweigh the cost of replacing batteries, starters, sooner than normal, due to a shorter life.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 6:43am |
Our Toyota has that feature. Fortunately it has a disable button on the dash. Maybe the 150 has also 
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 7:12am |
Most newer vehicles (almost all brands) have that "feature" to help meet the fuel consumption standards.
My wife's 2020 Explorer has it, It can be disabled, but you have to disable it every time you start the vehicle. I don't know of any way to permanently disable it.
In hot weather, it stays shut off for a short time, then automatically restarts (I'm assuming for the AC).
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 7:35am |
rre: that "feature" to help meet the fuel consumption standards.
yeah, right.... somehow they don't have to factor in the extra fuel used for EVERY restart, to get engine running again AND recharge the battery. do the proper math and it's NOT saving anything.... Also the extra wear and tear on the starter, ringgear, wiring, etc. increases the 'lifetime' cost of the vehicle.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 8:31am |
I guess they should have hired you, Jay, to engineer something better.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 8:36am |
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jay is right from the fact that it is not designed to make your life easier, save money, or helpful.. the ONLY GOAL of the shutdown is to improve the MPG numbers on paper they give the EPA... Just a NUMBERS game.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 9:50am |
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Our 2016 Escaspe has that and I always hit the disable button because what will a new stater cost, probaly less than the fuel it will use.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 11:28am |
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According to the dealership website, that is 1 of the most complained about things offered in the fords.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 11:35am |
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I have a 2015 F150 that has that feature so does my wife's 2020 Honda. Push a button to disable. I don't. Doesn't really bother me at all. Went with another forum member to pick up some parts. Truck stopped. He didn't know about that feature. Look on his face was priceless!!!!
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 2:14pm |
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the over ride button is there because the know that people DO NOT want it and can therefor BYPASS it..... again, it is there ONLY to please the EPA for sales... If it QUIT working the next day, FORD could not care less.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 4:07pm |
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It's true that MPG is the only driving criteria. To stop air pollution. Been that way for decades. Complex engines, sensors, catalytic converters, you name it, all for air quality.
Production costs, maintenance, insurance fall way down the list compared to MPG. MPG equates to cleaner air quality and that drives vehicle development.
That's why the big transition to electric. Battery life/problems/cost/insurance aren't the criteria. Electric gets 300 +/- MPG equivalent and doesn't emit air pollution.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 4:18pm |
re: Battery life/problems/cost/insurance aren't the criteria. Electric gets 300 +/- MPG equivalent and doesn't emit air pollution.
well the new F-150 Lightning will set back Canuck $13,000 for a new battery,installed...plus 13% taxes.....EVERY 5-6 years.....
while the electric vehicle doesn't emit air pollution, the power generation station to recharge them $$$$ batteries sure will !!!
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 4:52pm |
 jaybmiller wrote:
well the new F-150 Lightning will set back Canuck $13,000 for a new battery,installed...plus 13% taxes.....EVERY 5-6 years.....
while the electric vehicle doesn't emit air pollution, the power generation station to recharge them $$$$ batteries sure will !!!
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You're absolutely correct but Ford doesn't care. It's all about MPG and none of that other stuff matters to them.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 5:00pm |
I drove a friend's newer Equinox for awhile and it had that engine stop/start. As long as I didn't mash down on the brake pedal at a stop it wouldn't shut off. I got so I really liked it - mash hard on the pedal if you were at a light and knew you'd be sitting awhile, or just barely hold on it if you could see orange lights coming on for the cross traffic. I hate driving anything with an auto transmission but the stop/start was nice. It does sometimes not stop/start when you have AC running, it's still warming up, etc. I haven't driven a Ford so they could have a different (or less sophisticated) system.
Hot restarts on a newer fuel-injected vehicle use next to no extra fuel and outweigh the time that would be spent idling very quickly. It's easy on the starter, too. Cranking for 10 seconds probably wears the starter more than 100 quick hot starts (making up numbers here, but I'm just saying the wear is very low). The hypermiling people have been shutting their keys off at lights in their old beaters for years and the main thing they seem to wear out is the ignition switches, which is a non-issue on a vehicle designed with the auto stop/start. Those folks just end up wiring their own manual stop/start switches so that they don't wear out the ignition switch.
Of course my friend's Equinox only has maybe 60K on it so time will tell but I really don't expect things to wear out any sooner than on a vehicle without stop/start. I'll agree it was disconcerting at first. Once I understood the logic of the system and knew how to get it to shut off or not, I liked it.
I could get 38+ MPG out of that car pretty easily, too. Not too shabby for the size of the thing, and comparing it to my older Civic that gets 45 MPG but is much smaller.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 6:10pm |
while the electric vehicle doesn't emit air pollution, the power generation station to recharge them $$$$ batteries sure will !!!
Come on Jay... SOLAR PANELS on the roof, man !!! 
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 6:20pm |
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Easy way to pause the feature is to step on brake , let up and step on it again when at total stop , seems it only sets automatic if brake is held down for a certain time and when you press and release brake a couple times it overrides .
Least on my Jeep - but now it quit working - saying every so often battery voltage low - so evidently the voltage sensing chip is bad .
Also noticed air conditioning would cause it to start in the auto mode if temp changed .
So since it quit no problems now - except for the little light on dash that says it's not working
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 6:30pm |
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My work ride does that but has a button to bypass it, only thing is you have to press the button after every start up. My rental before that didn’t have the button so I learned to let off the brake after coming to a stop to start the engine again, it wouldn’t shut off the second time.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 9:27pm |
Thad in AR. wrote:
Prayers sent for your son.🙏🙏🙏Thanks Thad! we are going to need it. back in ER today, head swelling, but OK after they drained the wound. Biopsy not promising. waiting to see what Doc says concerning treatment going forward |
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Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 11:47pm |
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Posted: 03 Jul 2021 at 2:49pm |
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Prayers for your son Lou.
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Posted: 03 Jul 2021 at 9:42pm |
That feature is pretty sporadic in mine. I know that it will only shut off in certain ambient temperatures, but sometimes mine will shut off, other times it never shuts off. I just press the over ride button every time I remember. It can be permanently disabled but you need the help of the aftermarket.
Other than that, I love my 2020 8 foot bed supercab 5.0 litre, 10 speed. LOTS of power and on my 4 hour commute back and forth to work every week, it uses less gas than my VW 2.0 turbo. Not bad for a full size truck.
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Posted: 03 Jul 2021 at 10:08pm |
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thanks guys
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Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 10:02am |
Prayers coming your way from here too Lou. Hope it is good news!! Keep us posted.
My 99 Buick Park Ave AVERAGED 35 MPG ALL the time!!! I think it had something to do with the tranny also.
Car manufacturers must be in the same room with the oil people and vice-versa. Just more 'new' junk to go wrong and cost us more money.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 10:59am |
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Prayers for your son. I have a 2017 Escape with that feature have about 130k miles on it no problems at all.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 6:23pm |
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Lou, so sorry to hear of the return of trouble for your son. Prayers from here.
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