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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 8:00am |
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What model number is the Deutz Air cooled inline 6 Diesel engine that Gleaner put in the R4/R5, R40/R50,& early R42/R52s???
Are they naturally aspirated or turbo charged? Thanks
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AllisandGleaner
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 8:07am |
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BF6L913C was the number believe all were turbocharged and charge air cooled. Don’t think there ever really was a R4 but the R5 still used a 426 Allis engine guess that’s why they only built them for 1 year used up remaining crate engines they had sitting around and bought them enough time to redesign the combines and adapt their engines to fit.
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 8:16am |
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R-40/42....R-50/52.....BF6L913-C series engine...374 cubes turbo and air-to-air after cooled. These combines in their prototype stage were the N-3 and N-4 models when A-C still owned the company. They found they could almost replace the N-5 (an under-powered big frame combine) with the smaller lighter N-4 unit as far as productivity. Many dealers were selling N-5's and turning up the fuel, essentially making them an N-6. So, when Deutz owned the company the N/R-5 model was replaced by the R-50. I often wondered what engine they had in the N-3 prototype?? a 145 HP 301 turbo-intercooled 7020 tractor engine is my guess.
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 8:28am |
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Thanks DrAllis. The R40/42 & R50/52 seem to be very similar in size?? Gleaner only change their grain tank extensions, final drives, & engine hp between them?
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 8:40am |
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Same chassis/harvesting processor/seperation/cleaning. More or less HP, grain tank. final drives and tires/axle sizes. During the early 90's there were two chassis...R-40/50 and R-60/70.
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 9:19am |
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Do you have any knowledge you'd share about running a Gleaner R with a BF6L913C? I've been trying to research info online & mostly read that its not uncommon for these engines to burn 2qts or more, of engine oil a day? Their design allows both air & engine oil to cool them. Does their design / oil consumption possibly relate to their cylinder/"piston cooling" ,,ie increased cylinder wall oil? I have zero Deutz/Allis Gleaner literature.
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 9:37am |
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First off, 2 quarts of oil per day isn't a big deal. If you burned 50 gallons of fuel in that day, 2 quarts of oil use is acceptable. MOST of these combines have dirty air filter problems which accelerates oil burning. A pre-cleaner (aftermarket) helps or just simply more servicing of the filter. Steep hills and side hills always aggravate this too. Checking of the oil correctly isn't done many times. The dipstick must be removed, wiped off and wait a few seconds and then re-inserted to then be read. If you just pull the dipstick out and read it, surely it will be low. Most N-series 426 engines used oil when they got 40 or 50 hrs on an oil change, Deutz about the same.
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 6:14pm |
 DrAllis wrote:
First off, 2 quarts of oil per day isn't a big deal. If you burned 50 gallons of fuel in that day, 2 quarts of oil use is acceptable. MOST of these combines have dirty air filter problems which accelerates oil burning. A pre-cleaner (aftermarket) helps or just simply more servicing of the filter. Steep hills and side hills always aggravate this too. Checking of the oil correctly isn't done many times. The dipstick must be removed, wiped off and wait a few seconds and then re-inserted to then be read. If you just pull the dipstick out and read it, surely it will be low. Most N-series 426 engines used oil when they got 40 or 50 hrs on an oil change, Deutz about the same. |
Not saying that your info isn't correct (I'm sure it is), but DAMN !!!!! 2 quarts/day oil loss ??? Where does it go and why ?? Thanks
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 7:14pm |
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In the Deutz operators manual on them engines states anything below 2% oil consumption to gallons of fuel burned is acceptable. If you burned 50 gallons of fuel and 2qts oil that’s 1% consumption rate. As Dr said conditions play the biggest factor.
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Posted: 01 May 2022 at 9:12pm |
AllisandGleaner wrote:
In the Deutz operators manual on them engines states anything below 2% oil consumption to gallons of fuel burned is acceptable. If you burned 50 gallons of fuel and 2qts oil that’s 1% consumption rate. As Dr said conditions play the biggest factor. |
Thank you. What engine operation temperatures are considered normal? High?
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Posted: 02 May 2022 at 6:51am |
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The gauges they used had green and red range anything in green was normal as well as audible alarm and warning light if everything is clean on the engine all the fins and oil coolers you really have to work the snot out of them lugging them to make them to hot.
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Posted: 02 May 2022 at 8:12am |
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As I recall from the Deutz era service schools,1% oil consumption was allowable. That may not seem like much until you figure that 100 gallons of fuel equals 1 gallon of oil. So,obviously, 2 quarts of oil for 50 gallons of fuel is acceptable. Funny story, we sold a guy a new 7145 Deutz tractor and he complained of excessive oil use from the start. Of course the company just said to give it more time to break in. I don't recall how long that went on, but one day it broke the fan belts and got hot. After that, he said it quit using oil???
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Posted: 02 May 2022 at 12:08pm |
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I used to call on an AC-Massey dealership back in 1981. When they had an oil consumption complaint on a Massey (usually a Dec sale for tax purposes and then piddle with it all winter long), they would hook the tractor to a dyno, cover the radiator with cardboard and pull it hard for a couple of hrs with the temp gauge just into the red zone on the gauge. They said that usually fixed the ring seating problem.
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Posted: 02 May 2022 at 1:17pm |
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I was told the same scenario as the Dr. when I was talking to guys and researching before the overhaul of the 6-110 DD in my HD20 crawler. One gentlemen told me he overhauled 2 of them for a contractor and they both were using oil and didnt seem to improve with use. They put cardboard over the radiators and slogged those crawlers hard all day and that took care of the oil usage problem.
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Posted: 03 May 2022 at 9:44pm |
I bought a early R52 last fall knowing nothing about the bigger Deutz or Gleaners in general. The previous owners parked it after blowing the fan belts in wheat, and making their 2188 IH the sole machine. I got it cheaped, checked everything over, and threw on a new belt. The fan clutch is a bit funky as its oil applied, although i don't see why its not just a fixed fan on a combine that is running WOT at full load. I ended up putting 20-30 hours on it in beans and loved it. Engine is pretty easy to service, and super easy to start compared to any Allis engine i've been around. I don't have a working fuel gauge but it seemed to be pretty easy on fuel and no real noticeable oil consumption. This one only has about 2k seperator and 3k engine hours so fairly low hour machine for its age.
One important thing i've learned from years running the small 3/4 cyl deutz is keep engine and air filters CLEAN. They rely 100% on good airflow and clean surfaces to transfer heat. A small fuel or oil leak can cause an issue pretty quick. Also worn fan blades can hurt the cooling ability, i know mine is showing some wear and really should get replaced before wheat harvest but not sure if i'll be able to get to it in time.
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Posted: 04 May 2022 at 10:44am |
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Have run an R50 with a Deutz for a good 15 years. Probably closer to 20 years. Yes it is turbo charged. I check oil daily when servicing and very rarely add oil to it. So for me, consumption is no different than any other diesel engine. Combine has about 3500 engine hours on it. Seems like many folks gives these motors a bad rap, but I have nothing but good to say about it. It has all the power I need, very fuel efficient and no radiator. I blow out the oil coolers along with the fins on the head daily and a good cleaning each season before we start is key and no oil leaks but never had an oil leak yet on this motor.
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Posted: 04 May 2022 at 12:42pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
DrAllis wrote:
First off, 2 quarts of oil per day isn't a big deal. If you burned 50 gallons of fuel in that day, 2 quarts of oil use is acceptable. MOST of these combines have dirty air filter problems which accelerates oil burning. A pre-cleaner (aftermarket) helps or just simply more servicing of the filter. Steep hills and side hills always aggravate this too. Checking of the oil correctly isn't done many times. The dipstick must be removed, wiped off and wait a few seconds and then re-inserted to then be read. If you just pull the dipstick out and read it, surely it will be low. Most N-series 426 engines used oil when they got 40 or 50 hrs on an oil change, Deutz about the same. |
Not saying that your info isn't correct (I'm sure it is), but DAMN !!!!! 2 quarts/day oil loss ??? Where does it go and why ?? Thanks |
It goes to the Knudsen Reservoir for use in lubricating unused electricity recovery turbines.
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Posted: 04 May 2022 at 8:24pm |
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We ran a R50 for about six years, and a R70 for four years, kept the engine clean, and never had a problem with them.
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Posted: 05 May 2022 at 5:33am |
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The 6 cylinder in the small frame gleaners will pull better and use quite a bit less fuel from our experience. You just got to keep clean and fix oil leaks.
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