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Degelman blade on a 7040 ?

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    Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 1:03pm
A buddy left a 3 pt heavy duty 9' scraper blade in my yard for years that I have used for pushing snow with my 7040. This year he needed to use the blade so I'm weighing options. My option B is a small Case tractor with an angling blade attached to a trip bucket loader which works great but is cold and slow. I like the front blade and was wondering if anybody here ever put a front Degelman style blade on a 7000 series or had any wisdom to share about this? 
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I've seen them on a lot of different tractors, but don't know how they would work for snow, used mostly for silage
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I had a front blade on my 7050 for awhile. It could really push but I didn't like the way it attached. I was supposed to weld the rear main pole to the front of the drawbar. Instead I moved the drawbar ahead and made a socket to fit over the draw bar but that caused an upward push on the drawbar and I ended up breaking it after a few weeks. It was a Leon blade. I used it to build my 1/2 mile long driveway and then pushed snow for a few years. Other than that I really liked it but the HD11 pushes far more and is much more fun :)
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Thanks guys. I will have to look up Leon front blades. Did the Leon work off the rear remotes? 

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Grandpa has a Degelman on a Deere 7800 that works wonders in snow. He blades his driveway with it, and has cleared roads to pastures with it before. You can push really tall piles with it, but the only drawback I see is it's fairly easy to get high centered on. Usually if you're pushing, and all of a sudden the tractor sinks down. That doesn't happen too often though. 
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sooooooo.....getting stuck....runs in the family?
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Scott used to be several Leon's around here. At least 2 on 7080's, a few on early 4x4 JD's, at least 1 on a 1950 Oliver. Dad gum this wore out memory, I can't remember how they hooked up. I know most people left them on. I always wanted 1 but since my biggest tractor was a series 4 D 17, I figured I have far more blade that tractor. So I bought a blade for the 99 Chevy.
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Originally posted by scott scott wrote:

Thanks guys. I will have to look up Leon front blades. Did the Leon work off the rear remotes? 

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For the money I'd rather have a blade on a pickup as the blade really tied up my tractor. That's been more than 15 years ago so maybe they are easier to take off like a pickup blade is. I don't know???
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You might check out Otter's Inc in Clayton, KS for front mount blades. I bought a used blade made by them (can be manually angled if desired) on an online auction site several years ago...paid $1,000. It had been mounted on a John Deere. As luck would have it, the blade was located near their location. They (Otter's) went to get it, modified it to fit my White 2-135, installed new cutting edge and repainted it for less than $500. It has a nice mounting system that is easy to take on and off. I leave the mounts and the cylinder on the tractor as I have a 3rd valve it's connected to. Nothing is left underneath the tractor to interfere when the blade is not mounted. No, it's not like a crawler/dozer but is quite capable of pushing silage, blading snow, repairing waterways and terraces, etc. I usually have either a fully mounted plow or ripper on the back to break the soil loose when doing dirt work and the extra weight also helps with traction. You might want to check them out. Much less expensive than most other brands...at least in this area and they are very well put together.
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Theres a farm down the road from work that has what appears to be a Degelman on a 14xx IH. I see the tractor in fields all over the area most times with the blade off but the frame still there. Lately the blade is on and he has been obviously pushing snow with it. I am going to stop there one day when I see him at the farm but figured I would throw the question out to the Allis page first just in case it is a bad idea for some unseen/unknown reason. Understanding it would take a seperate control I would rather not have to operate such a unit with the remotes, IDK if there is an easy way to plumb into the system closer to the pump. O' to have a cab with heat and a radio, plus looking forward, to push some snow.
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have you looked into a Gnuse 3pt bucket? alot easier to free up the tractor.

But, being in Michigan, I am surprised you dont have a Fair twin fan snowblower yet. :)

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+1 on the Gnuse bucket.
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I'm mounting a 10' JD dozer blade on my 7010 right now. JD blades were made by dagelman and they are excellent blades and they work beautiful to push snow. If you get one let me know and I can send pics of how i'm mounting it. You have to do it right or you can flex the frame and take the seal out on the timing cover. Don't let this scare you it's easy to mount wright.
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The Gnuse looks good but its on the wrong side. I had a rear blade on the 7040 which worked great but now that I'm moving in a new direction I guess I'd rather put something on the front of the tractor.  Diesel is talking the direction I'd like to go...lol. 
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Back in the day, we had a 12' Leon blade on a 7040, and a 7060. When the 7040 was traded, its blade went on an 8070. To mount the Leon blade, on 7 & 8000 series tractors, there is an extension, that gets welded onto the front of the drawbar, this is where the blade pushes from. The front of the blade, mounts to the front axle, therefore, there is no stress put on the tractor frame. Once you have done it, the dozer, can be put on and off by one person in 15 to 20 minutes, just be sure to leave the blade on the undercarriage. One thing I like about the Leon blade, is the blade itself, can be quickly and easily removed by pulling two pins, that attach the blade to the undercarriage. The one thing I didn't like about the Leon, is the blade, sits closer to the ground, even when all the way up. If you dropped the front wheels into a hole, it could be tough to get out, even with front wheel drive. We also had a Degelman, that was mounted on a 4955, this was one of the first of the new style, and mounted with a pivot point on the front end. This transferred all of the twisting stress, to the rear axles. This dozer, you could remove the entire undercarriage, in about 5 minutes. One thing I really liked about the Degelman, was that you could leave the front weights on the tractor, with the Leon, they had to come off. Overall, they are both good solid dozers, with pros and cons for both, just comes down to personal choice. 
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Scott how long have you had that 7040 now ?
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There is no way to mount a front blade  right on a tractor. They will bust block on JD, brake frame on IH, Take dowel pins out, crack oil pan, Waller gaskets out of front plate, and after so long will seize head in pump, braking pump shaft on AC. If you want a dozer, buy a dozer.
  Most front dozer blades sold around here are setting in fence rows.      MACK
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My dad always used Waldon dozer blades. He actually has two now. They're built strong, we never had a bit of trouble with one. They do run off the remotes though. They're fairly easy to attach. It uses a belly frame that bolts to the frame rails and the rear axle so it pushes from the strongest points of the tractor. Then you drive over the back side of the blade frame, raise it up, and bolt it on. Attach the cylinders and you're ready to go. I know some of the larger ones could be angled as well. We've pushed up enough snow with one to bury a four door car using a JD 4430 before.
He bought two trailer loads of blades, frames, and mounting kits once. As I recall each frame fit certain tractor series. I remember one frame said it fit an Allis Chalmers but I'm not sure what series. If I were in the market for a dozer blade that's what I'd be looking for. Just my two cents though. The only trouble is they're not in buisness anymore so that makes them hard to find.
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Originally posted by MACK MACK wrote:

There is no way to mount a front blade  right on a tractor. They will bust block on JD, brake frame on IH, Take dowel pins out, crack oil pan, Waller gaskets out of front plate, and after so long will seize head in pump, braking pump shaft on AC. If you want a dozer, buy a dozer.
  Most front dozer blades sold around here are setting in fence rows.      MACK

They each have a place. For silage, snow or manure, front mount tractor dozer works better than a track/wheel dozer. For pushing dirt, a track/wheel dozer works better. We still have a dozer on a 4WD, for pushing snow, and a little dirt, but for big dirt jobs, we hire it done.
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IlGleaner... John, I could believe its been 10 years or so. Been a great tractor for me. Thank You!

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