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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1725 |
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Theoretical question: If a D19 diesel trubo went on a D15 diesel, what would the effects be on the engine? Reliability, horsepower increase, easier starting, better fuel economy?
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8447 |
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Blow up?
Lol, I have no idea. Seems like something I'd ask, only instead of D15 it'd be Super 100! Lol!
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wayneIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: Waverly, IA Points: 268 |
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You wouldn't see any easier starting since when starting the turbo wouldn't make any boost to raise the compression ratio. I'm not sure the exact displacement of a D15D, but I'm sure it's considerably less than the 262 of the D19D. Which means that the only time you will probably see any improvement is when you are wide open throttle to create enough heat and exhaust volume to spool the turbo. Hypothetically you will see a few horsepower increase without changing the fuel delivery to add more fuel, but probably not a lot of change (geussing 1-5 HP). The engine will probably run with less smoke when the turbo is spooled, but will depend on how well it can spool the turbo. Most likely you wouldn't see any real loss in engine longevity since you wouldn't be adding hardly any boost to create more pressure/wear on the engine. If you turn the fuel up with adding the turbo, then it will respond better since you'll be creating more exhaust flow and heat to spool it better. With the fuel increase, you'll also see a heat increase of your engine since it's making more power and may get to a point that the cooling system will struggle to keep the engine cool enough. Also with the added fuel, you'll be creating more boost and put more stress on the head, rods, and block to hold the extra power. I haven't been around a D15 diesel to know if they are an energy cell head or not, but if they aren't direct injection (like a 301 or 426), then they will be more prone to cracking the heads due to the increase of heat (WD45D, D17D, and especially the D19D are notorious for this problem).
CrestonM, it can be done on a gas engine, but you need a waste gated turbo to limit the boost pressure (10 PSI would be a big increase in power). The waste gate opens and bypasses the turbo once the intake manifold pressure gets to the preset pressure. The easiest way to put a turbo on a gas engine is to have the turbo suck air from the carburetor, and then push it into the intake manifold. The best way for longevity is to add an electric fuel pump that supplies 5 PSI more fuel pressure to your carburetor than what the waste gate setting is (10 PSI waste gate and 15 PSI fuel pressure), this keeps a supply of fuel in the carburetor so the turbo doesn't pressurize the bowl and push the fuel back to the tank. Then instead of sucking the air from the carburetor to the turbo, the turbo blows the air into the carburetor and into the engine. The reason this is more efficient is that you aren't passing droplets of fuel through your turbo to wear on the compressor wheel, and it also acts as an inter-cooler when the fuel in the carburetor vaporizes in the heated air from the turbo and cools the air back down so you get more air into the cylinders (cooler air is denser resulting in more oxygen in each cylinder). At 10 PSI of boost though, you may need to run higher octane fuel to prevent detonation(maybe 93 octane)
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TramwayGuy ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11636 |
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D15 is 2/3 of a D19, same basic head design. Might even make enough power with an appropriate turbo to equal the series 2 gas engine. Probably end up with the same problems the D19 diesel had.
Edited by TramwayGuy - 15 Nov 2016 at 6:08am |
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Pat the Plumber CIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Springfield,Il Points: 4871 |
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Randy from Mo. fabricated one and had it at Boonville . I will try and find a pic tonight and post it
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AJ ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: mo Points: 5244 |
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Need to use a turbo from a 6080 and run an oil line
Edited by AJ - 15 Nov 2016 at 6:58am |
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Randy had me rebuild the turbo for the D15 over a year ago and have talked to Randy about how it's doing four or five times and it's A-OK. He works this tractor day in and day out and it's not a show toy, he mows a lot with it.
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Randy(Mo) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Jefferson City Points: 523 |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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My car is a Ford Fiesta 1 liter EcoBoost. They claim 123 hp at 6500 RPM. Its about the same weight as the 2002 2 liter naturally aspirated VW Golf it replaced but a little faster in the 0 to 60 test. And the Fiesta gets around 40 vs 33 mpg for the Golf.
The three cylinder Fiesta engine works smoothly from about 850 to 6500 RPM (red line on the tachometer and in the computer) but gets rough if loaded at 850 or below. The 5 speed manual transmission has wide range gears and 2nd gear is good from less than 3 mph to over 60 mph. Sometimes I can start from standing still in second gear on level ground. Sometimes I kill the engine trying. It has no carburetor, its direct fuel injected. And all run by computer. It runs fine on E10. Lots of performance from a little engine. I'm sure the bottom end of the engine is sturdier than a naturally aspirated engine with more cylinders producing half the horsepower. It has to be sturdy to stand that RPM range and well balanced too. I'd think adding a turbo to a tractor engine would want to run faster to make good use of the turbo (preferably matched to the engine displacement) which probably would show up problems with balance and wouldn't do much for performance until the injection pump was turned up to get the optimum fuel to air ratio for good combustion. Gerald J. |
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4929 |
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Any 3 cylinder will be much smother than a 4 cylinder. Putting a turbo on a D15 diesel should be any more of a problem than one on a D19. The thing is it would need the correct exhaust housing for the smaller engine. I don't have any experience on those engines, do they have three or 5 mains? With 5 mains I'd consider working it somewhat harder that if it has 3.
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