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Chad S 
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Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 8:36pm |
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I know that there were two different heads but were there two different head gaskets?
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MACK
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Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 8:44pm |
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D19 gas is 1/2 the thickness of diesel. Other than thickness, they are the same. MACK
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ACjack
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 8:13am |
This must sound silly to you tractor guys but, to me an engine guy what series engine was used in the D19? 
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 8:26am |
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buda 262
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 10:08am |
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Thanks.
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Kcgrain
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 11:08am |
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Actually its an Allis Chalmers 262. Buda never made a 262. They made a 230 which was in the WD45 Diesel . If you call it a Buda 262 you will never find parts for it, because there is no such animal, and if you look up the parts for an Allis Chalmers 262 ,you will find what you need. The 262 was after Allis Chalmers bought Buda
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DrAllis
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 12:08pm |
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Buda versions were 230 and 273? and 290?? cubes and were a bored block. When Allis-Chalmers bought out Buda, they promptly redesigned it for wet sleeves( and 262 cubes), which in the end, was a big negative for the diesels. Their sleeve lip was pretty narrow allowing the sleeves to sink over time. Gas engines never seemed to bother.
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 12:33pm |
If your asking me I couldn't answer what size engines Buda made. I just know the Buda was a 230 it had a wet sleeve, but it had the O rings in the block. When Allis Chalmers took over it got re engineered and became a 262, and the O rings were now on the sleeve, like modern engines. I know this because I started an overhaul on a WD45 diesel and the sleeves were rotted off where they met the block, I ordered a new kit for the engine, and got a different block, when the customer said he found a guy that would assemble the engine for $100 and he wanted it back, so I poured all the parts into a box, kept my kit and sent it on its way, 2 years later the guy gave up trying to assemble it and hauled it to another guy, who decided you could put an Allis Chalmers 262 kit into a 230 block, than came over looking for the old block to see where the o rings were, because the D17 kit had them on the sleeve, and the block I got for the WD45 had them in the block. I told him he had the wrong kit, but he knew more than me and told me I was wrong. He was so smart he decided to put the 262 kit into the 230 block, and silicone the bottom of the sleeve, and fill the bottom of the block with hard block to seal it. I stopped into to see what a disaster looked like , the sleeves fit, but the stroke is different, so the crank missed the bottom of the protruding sleeve by about a 1/4 inch, I again told him you have the wrong kit, there is no way silicone and hard block is going to seal that, and I never seen a crank miss the sleeve by a fraction, but again he was much smarter than I so he kept putting the engine together, the next problem he had was it wouldn't start, because it was decompressed so badly, it start on either, and miss terribly unless it was under load, they came to ask why it ran so bad, I told them for the 3rd time you have the wrong kit, they finally conceded and bought a 230 BUDA kit and needless to say after spending about $5000 they got the $100 assembly done. Also I have a D17 diesel with the 262 Allis Chalmers, and the machine shop that did the block and head said they couldn't finish the head because they couldn't find parts for it, they were obsolete, I told them that's nonsense I can order the engine parts right from Agco if I had to, so he asked me to stop in to show me the problem. He got out his parts book and could not find a Buda 262 engine to order the springs and valves from, I told the guy who told you it was a Buda, he said you said it was an Allis Chalmers but they ran Buda, I said no they BOUGHT buda, the 262 is an Allis Chlamers engine not going to be listed in the Buda section, so he turned to the Allis Chalmers section, and lo and behold pages of parts for the 262.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 12:43pm |
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I was thinking the 230 had O-rings on sleeve and 262 put grooves in the block because the sleeve was so thin...need to look at the 230 sleeves in the shop and see...
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Kevin in WA
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 5:27pm |
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Early 230 has o ring grooves on the sleeve, 262 has them in the block, late 230 gas such as A2 Gleaner uses same block as 262, so they are in the block, and has full flow oiling like the 262.
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MACK
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Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 10:07pm |
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Kcgrain has
it backwards. Old blocks had o rings in sleeves, later block has o rings in block. MACK
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 12:47pm |
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My early D17D block has the o ring grooves in the block.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 12:49pm |
 Kcgrain wrote:
If your asking me I couldn't answer what size engines Buda made. I just know the Buda was a 230 it had a wet sleeve, but it had the O rings in the block. When Allis Chalmers took over it got re engineered and became a 262, and the O rings were now on the sleeve, like modern engines. I know this because I started an overhaul on a WD45 diesel and the sleeves were rotted off where they met the block, I ordered a new kit for the engine, and got a different block, when the customer said he found a guy that would assemble the engine for $100 and he wanted it back, so I poured all the parts into a box, kept my kit and sent it on its way, 2 years later the guy gave up trying to assemble it and hauled it to another guy, who decided you could put an Allis Chalmers 262 kit into a 230 block, than came over looking for the old block to see where the o rings were, because the D17 kit had them on the sleeve, and the block I got for the WD45 had them in the block. I told him he had the wrong kit, but he knew more than me and told me I was wrong. He was so smart he decided to put the 262 kit into the 230 block, and silicone the bottom of the sleeve, and fill the bottom of the block with hard block to seal it. I stopped into to see what a disaster looked like , the sleeves fit, but the stroke is different, so the crank missed the bottom of the protruding sleeve by about a 1/4 inch, I again told him you have the wrong kit, there is no way silicone and hard block is going to seal that, and I never seen a crank miss the sleeve by a fraction, but again he was much smarter than I so he kept putting the engine together, the next problem he had was it wouldn't start, because it was decompressed so badly, it start on either, and miss terribly unless it was under load, they came to ask why it ran so bad, I told them for the 3rd time you have the wrong kit, they finally conceded and bought a 230 BUDA kit and needless to say after spending about $5000 they got the $100 assembly done. Also I have a D17 diesel with the 262 Allis Chalmers, and the machine shop that did the block and head said they couldn't finish the head because they couldn't find parts for it, they were obsolete, I told them that's nonsense I can order the engine parts right from Agco if I had to, so he asked me to stop in to show me the problem. He got out his parts book and could not find a Buda 262 engine to order the springs and valves from, I told the guy who told you it was a Buda, he said you said it was an Allis Chalmers but they ran Buda, I said no they BOUGHT buda, the 262 is an Allis Chlamers engine not going to be listed in the Buda section, so he turned to the Allis Chalmers section, and lo and behold pages of parts for the 262. |
That wasn't Pankey was it? 
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 2:03pm |
That's just COLD Brian. lmao
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Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 5:17pm |
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It was 17 years ago so I could have it backwards!!!
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Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 8:30pm |
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Kc, time to find another one and tear it down!
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