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    Posted: 19 Oct 2015 at 6:31pm
So I just had a rebuilt head put on, rebuilt carb, new plugs.  Took it home from SLI and it ran like a top that day.  Parked it in the shed.  Two months later today, I go to start the damn thing wont start--not even a cough. Got spark. Got fuel. Took a couple plugs out. Didn't smell any gasoline.  put a splash of gas in the cylinder.  Not even a cough.  Know I  have spark as could see them coming off the plug. Extremely frustrating evening.
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What do you mean by "got gas?" Is there fuel in the carb bowl? Does it run out freely when you open the carb drain? It seems most like your needle valve stuck in the closed position.
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Yes fuel in the bowl, runs out of the drain.
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Tom tap the side of the carb with a hammer. When you get the D17 running to shut the tractor off - turn the gas off at the tank and let the gas all burn out of the carb. Also use top grade gas. We run Shell's 92 octane and the engines seemed to run a lot better on it. Good luck
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Originally posted by WD45 WD45 wrote:

Tom tap the side of the carb with a hammer. When you get the D17 running to shut the tractor off - turn the gas off at the tank and let the gas all burn out of the carb. Also use top grade gas. We run Shell's 92 octane and the engines seemed to run a lot better on it. Good luck
 
I just put some Shell 87 in..yes will try that.
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Went to the freezer to get some ice cream as "comfort" food...just got it yesterday evening.  Kids ate it allCensored
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LOL , comfort food..., good thing you didn't have any to feed to that D17... it wouldn't have digested that stuff very good.

 Hope ye get it started, not having stuff do what it's s'pose to do when you want it to isn't any fun.
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Originally posted by JC(WI) JC(WI) wrote:

LOL , comfort food..., good thing you didn't have any to feed to that D17... it wouldn't have digested that stuff very good.

 Hope ye get it started, not having stuff do what it's s'pose to do when you want it to isn't any fun.
 
 
Ya...this is what I get for getting the tractor fixed well before the real need for it in late October/November....
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Tom if it has been sitting for a while maybe you should check the air cleaner. It might be that some chickmunks thought your d17 needed acorns for comfort food and now she can't breath. I had one get into my serries 1 oil bath filter housing I don't remember just how now but I found out because he was using the air hose to the carb as a trash bin.

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Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Tom if it has been sitting for a while maybe you should check the air cleaner. It might be that some chickmunks thought your d17 needed acorns for comfort food and now she can't breath. I had one get into my serries 1 oil bath filter housing I don't remember just how now but I found out because he was using the air hose to the carb as a trash bin.
 
Sat for about two month..but how could a chipmunk get in there?????
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I don't remember what was going on with mine something was probably taken apart it was about 5 years ago. but I just remember having trouble starting it and finding the tube full of acorns this time of year.
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87 octane (ethanol gas) right?
I refuse to use that stuff in mine, as the ethanol is hydroscopic (attracts moisture)
You end up getting plenty of moisture in your system and that not only degrades your fuel, but rusts everything up.

I buy my fuel at CO-OP, non-ethanol only.
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Corbinstein, funny you mention that.  I buy hi-test to put in my push lawnmower 'cause I got tired of putting carb kits in it.  Dealer told me alcohol was bad for the diaphragm; says so in the owner's manual.  Haven't rebuilt the carb since.
 
On the other hand, the WD only gets regular, but I run it at least every two or three weeks and always kill it by shutting the gas off at the sediment bowl.
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I have rebuilt 2 TSX464's in the last couple of weeks and have to do my D-17 now also.  I WILL NOT use any other gas in these anymore except ethanol free!!!  Everything inside the bowl was RUSTED!  AARGHHHH!!
Get a carb kit and take a look.  Carb float might be rusted in the open position.  TOOOO much gas for them to run.  Happened to mine
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Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

I have rebuilt 2 TSX464's in the last couple of weeks and have to do my D-17 now also.  I WILL NOT use any other gas in these anymore except ethanol free!!!  Everything inside the bowl was RUSTED!  AARGHHHH!!
Get a carb kit and take a look.  Carb float might be rusted in the open position.  TOOOO much gas for them to run.  Happened to mine
Carb was just rebuilt. going to do a tap on it, open up the air intake tonight.
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Ok update...
 
Took off the air intake hose to carb...no issue. Plenty of vacuum. Tapped the carb like Gene Kelly..Tried starting with ether.  Got flames out the carb, smoke out the stack. But no real turning over.  Drained all the gas. Put in Schell Hi-test, no ethanol. Got puffs of smoke, but that's it.  The puffing of smoke tells one its getting gas right? Or could it be not getting enough?  Just wondering if there is a carb problem.
 
WTH??
 
 


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Pull the carb. Sounds like the carb is flooding out. My d17 did something like that this summer I had a bit of grass in the seat so the needle was almost closed but not quite. Weird part was that the carb didn't leak fuel but it wouldn't start and run until I got the seat cleaned out.
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Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Pull the carb. Sounds like the carb is flooding out. My d17 did something like that this summer I had a bit of grass in the seat so the needle was almost closed but not quite. Weird part was that the carb didn't leak fuel but it wouldn't start and run until I got the seat cleaned out.
 
 
I'm not too familiar with the workings of a carb.  What part is the "seat"
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If you take the carb apart and remove the needle and float the seat is where the gas comes in and the needle seals against it. I found a bit of grass wedged in there. Just be careful not to bend the gloat and you will be fine putting it back on the tractor.
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Originally posted by TomYaz TomYaz wrote:

Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Pull the carb. Sounds like the carb is flooding out. My d17 did something like that this summer I had a bit of grass in the seat so the needle was almost closed but not quite. Weird part was that the carb didn't leak fuel but it wouldn't start and run until I got the seat cleaned out.
 
 
I'm not too familiar with the workings of a carb.  What part is the "seat"

The little brass thing, above the needle valve, above the float...
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Is it remotely possible someone is playing a joke on you and changed the plug wires around?     Just things I've seen with kids and a WD45  Confused
Condenser or points not getting you a good enough fire?   You get spark for a couple hits, but not enough to keep going or start.   Wish I remember half of what a AC mechanic tried to show me 40 years ago!
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Well you could always talk some fine sand paper and lightly clean the points. I got tired of points and put in a pertronix kit so I am not really very good with cleaning and gapping points or knowing when they need to be gapped.
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Originally posted by WestAllisWD45 WestAllisWD45 wrote:

Is it remotely possible someone is playing a joke on you and changed the plug wires around?     Just things I've seen with kids and a WD45  Confused
Condenser or points not getting you a good enough fire?   You get spark for a couple hits, but not enough to keep going or start.   Wish I remember half of what a AC mechanic tried to show me 40 years ago!
 
No I don't have kids running around here. Opened up the distributor and watched sparks galore.  Pulled  a plug with wire still attached and its sparked well..
 
 
But I think Its the  needle. when I pulled off the fuel bowl under the tank I noticed my wire screen was not there...then I remembered. A year or so ago when I had this new bowl and it would not seal with the screen.  Needing to get the harvest in, it sealed with no screen. Mental note..resolve this issue, need to get a screen back in there...mental note lost somewhere...So I think I got crap in the carb.
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Our local fuel dealer has "conventional" gas that we keep in a bulk tank here on the farm. It is 87 octane but is not blended. No carb issues ever even on the small engines (chainsaws and mowers).
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Tom leave the screen out and install an inline fuel filter between the tank and carb.
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Originally posted by WD45 WD45 wrote:

Tom leave the screen out and install an inline fuel filter between the tank and carb.
 
Probably not a bad idea.  New Screen,bowl, gasket and it wouldn't seal at the time...junk
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If you tried ether and it didn't start then there is something wrong with the spark.  I had a similar problem with my D14 and new points and condensor took care of it.
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    You can not run an inline filter on the WDs. There is a reason Allis Chalmers engineers designed the sediment fuel bowls.
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I have ran inline filters on our wd's all my life. They run fine.
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You can run an inline filter, but why?  You already have a filter that works fine...
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