D17 III Water Temp Gauge

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   Hello,
I am finally getting around to working on the gauge panel on my D17 III.  When I got the tractor a few years ago, it was missing the water temp gauge with just the hole in the panel.  I decided to pull the panel the other day to fix the light switch, and thought I would also add the water temp gauge.  I have been looking at the block trying to find the old sensor or a sealed port where the sensor should go, but to my surprise nothing jumps out to me as the likely location.  Is the block where I should be looking or does it mount in a hose some where?  I am probably just missing it, but ???

Thanks

John B
Potomac, IL

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John B. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Potomac, IL Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote John B. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D17 III Water Temp Gauge Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 9:48am
	Hello, I am finally getting around to working on the gauge panel on my D17 III. When I got the tractor a few years ago, it was missing the water temp gauge with just the hole in the panel. I decided to pull the panel the other day to fix the light switch, and thought I would also add the water temp gauge. I have been looking at the block trying to find the old sensor or a sealed port where the sensor should go, but to my surprise nothing jumps out to me as the likely location. Is the block where I should be looking or does it mount in a hose some where? I am probably just missing it, but ??? Thanks John B Potomac, IL

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Ky.Allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Kentucky Points: 1020	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ky.Allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 10:00am
	If it's a gas engine the temp. sensor is on top of the head toward the rear and on left side(sitting in seat)right beside the valve cover. It does not screw directly into the head. There is a oblong shape adapter about 3/4" thick that bolts to the head and sensor screws into it. Had to replace the adapter on mine 2 yrs. ago. It was still available from AGCO,but pricey. If it's a diesel,then I don't know.

John B. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Potomac, IL Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote John B. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 12:16pm
	Thank you! I just went out and pulled the left side cover, and there was the adapter with sensor on top of the head. Duhuh!! I guess I didn't look hard enough before. Interestingly, the sensor that is installed was electric rather then the tube with bulb style. I think some one told me the original indeed was the tube and bulb. At least I think all the replacement units that I have seen are. Thanks again, John B. Potomac, IL

Ky.Allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Kentucky Points: 1020	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ky.Allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 6:17pm
	I tried to change mine to electric a couple years ago,but never could get it to work. I wanted it electric so if you had to split the tractor for a clutch job,you would not have to drain the cooling system. I was using gauge and sending unit for a 200 tractor,but just could not get it to work no matter how I wired it. Finally put it back to original with new gauge from DJS tractor parts and it works fine.

John B. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Potomac, IL Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote John B. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 9:06pm
	I just ordered a replacement gauge assembly from DJS myself. As farmerized as this tractor is, it is hard to say if the electric version worked or not. The tractor does run good though. Thanks again for your help! John B. Potomac, IL

Bill Deppe/AC Salvag Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Maquoketa, Iowa Points: 973	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Deppe/AC Salvag Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 9:23pm
	Could the electric style gauge not work properly due to positive ground on the series III versus negative ground on the 100 series?

Ky.Allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Kentucky Points: 1020	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ky.Allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 12:25pm
	Bill,I thought the same thing (positive ground) when I was trying to get it to work,but everybody I asked about it said that should not matter. The new gauge(from AGCO)did not have any of the terminals marked on the back of it,so it was trial and error to figure it out. I messed with it for a week and tried every wiring combination you can imagine. I still wonder if the positive ground was the whole problem.

NewToMe Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 25 Aug 2018 Location: Ontario Points: 19	Post Options Post Reply Quote NewToMe Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Aug 2018 at 7:44pm
	Could you guys post of photo if this location thatd be great having trouble finding it as well

bstrahm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 10 Dec 2018 Location: Kansas Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote bstrahm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 7:15pm
	I just purchased a D17 Series I and the temperature sensor is hanging loose. I, too, was having trouble finding the port to screw it into. The following helped me... http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee170/Sugarmaker/D17_3_26_16/DSC05274.jpg which is posted in this forum thread on page 2. https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/1958-d17-nfe-lots-of-pictures_topic120919_page1.html When I went to this location on my D17, I find that there is no port - it is just covered with a plate. If someone can point me to a place where I could purchase the port adapter, I would appreciate it.

Don(MO) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862	Post Options Post Reply Quote Don(MO) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 9:33pm
	Used one from a tractor salvage yard off all the D17 gas tractors and off the "E" Gleaner combines will work.
	3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.