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I made an A-frame out of  3 inch channel that bolted to two holes in the bucket... and had a hitch pin out front....... pulled out of the woods to home that way.... Could work on the road a LOW SPEED... SHORT DIstance.
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We would go slow on back roads.
Maybe 15 miles stopping regularly to check it
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I would jack and block the loader up, then get someone with a rollback or trailer with a winch tp do the move. My experience is doing something like you're talking about usually ends up being a bad experience and ends up costing more (sometimes a lot more) in the long run. 
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Thanks to everyone who has given their experience and knowledge in this. We where planning on pulling the loader putting it on a trailer and pulling the tractor home with our Oliver 1650
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Make absolutely sure the transmission is FULL of oil before towing it, or you'll get to work on the transmission too.
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raised bucket up 18 inches and put band clamp bracket around cylinder rod to hold it there..
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What is a band clamp bracket
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i cut a 2.5 inch pipe  10 inches long, split in half... put around the hydraulic lift cylinder rod and "CLAMPED" so it stayed in place... I welded ears on each half and bolted them back together that time... On another job, i use a U CLAMP -- or MUFFLER CLAMP to go around the  pipe as a BAND.

you lift the bucket 18 inches off the ground, then measure how much ROD is sticking out of the cylinder--- and add a pipe to hold it there.




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I need to find a tie rod end
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Can I just get a universal tye rod end
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you need to figure out the THREAD on the shaft so it fits on the tie rod..... Then the TAPER shaft should be as close as possible........ You might be able to go to NAPA or something like that and compare several in stock and get one that is CLOSE... Factory part seems to be $$$.
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what is the original bore of the d12. i am trying to find the right size sleeve puller or make one
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i have a 8 pound slide hammer, if i made a sleeve puller for it would that work
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Might. I cut a 3/8” disc slightly larger than the sleeve OD and drilled a hole in the center the correct size for the set up I used.
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Originally posted by hunter321 hunter321 wrote:

i have a 8 pound slide hammer, if i made a sleeve puller for it would that work

I've pounded sleeves out with a piece of hardwood and I've had them come out very hard with a sleeve puller. You never know until you try them.
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What is the outer diameter of the original d12 piston sleeve
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I'm not having any luck finding the original bore size. I need help figuring it out so I can make the correct size sleeve puller
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According to Tractordata.com, the bore is 3.375.

Copied and pasted from their website:

Engine Detail
Allis-Chalmers
gasoline
4-cylinder
liquid-cooled vertical L-head
Original engine, used until 149 ci engine appeared in 1961.
Displacement138.7 ci
2.3 L
Bore/Stroke3.375x3.875 inches
86 x 98 mm
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hunter, normally the motor is OUT, turned upside down and you POUND the sleeve out from the bottom....... is your motor still in the tractor and your trying it pull from the TOP ?
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Yes the motor is still on the tractor
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Wrap some tape around the crankshafts connecting rod journal to keep dirt out of the oil hole and to PROTECT the journal from damage whilst you remove the cylinder sleeve(s).
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i am working on amking the 3.375 inch metale plate to pull the sleeve, should i make one that will fit inside the sleeve to keep it in place
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Couldn’t hurt. Would help with alignment during set up to pull
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the 3.375 is 3-3/8 inch.... that is the  bore INSIDE the LINER... that is not the hole in the block or the OD of the liner. ............ the OD is probably more like 3.60 inch .... i would measure the NEW liner.
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When I "made the puller" for 201-226 engines I didn't get fancy. Two straps of 3/4" steel with 25/32" holes, a length of 3/4" all thread, some spacers to go on the deck and a couple of 3/4-10 nuts. The sleeve sticks down far enough the bottom doesn't have to be perfect. Once the O-rings clear they come right out. I think your engine would be similar.
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is the pistion sleeve flush with the bottom of the engine block or is there a lip 
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No the sleeve is not flush with the block at the lower end of the Liner.

The Liner protrudes probably more than an inch.

I would fabricate a lower pulling plate at least 4 1/2" diameter so you will be able to use it on other Engines, Eg WD with 4" pistons.

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i just bought a new pushrod fro the d12 but now i am confused because it is different than all of the other pushrods i have except one 
the first picture is what i bought and one just like it was allready in the head.
the second picture is what all the other pushrods look like
Pushrod (sold individually) - Allis Chalmers D10, D12, D14, D15 - AC-2410D | eBay
1753811M1 Massey Ferguson 65 165 175 180 Gas Push Rod | eBay
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All that matters is the length and that it fits into the lifter on one end, and the rocker, on the other...Wink
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i finally got the d12 home thanks to clark towing llc 
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