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 Topic: D12 LBH Spec. Sheet
Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 4:54pm |
Guys: Anyone here have a D12 Industrial or Farm LBH.
I am looking for some of the evolutionary options of the machine. I do have Normy's book on AC Industrials so have a good bit already.
Were there differences between the orange D12 and yellow D12 LBH. I am thinking that the orange and yellow D12 LBH was just what was ordered by the Dealer or the Customer at the time.
A factory price list for the D12 LBH would be most helpful.
Happy New Year All - thanks in advance for any insights! Orangeman
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DiyDave
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 6:13pm |
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What's a LBH?
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 6:39pm |
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LBH - Loader Backhoe
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 6:52pm |
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From Swinford's book, 1961 price, D-12/L102 loader/Mark 1 backhoe was $5988. I think the early (orange ) tractors would have a standard D-12, with no hard nose, or strengthened front axle. Likely would have Henry made hoe and loader.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 7:09pm |
Hello DiyDave: I am thinking these machines had a shuttle clutch, but what is confusing is I have seen some with a mechanical reverser.
I would prefer a shuttle clutch machine like on the 615 Industrials.
Believe Ceesna made the swing motors on these units. Coke might have posted something a while back on the Ceesna Swing units.
Thank-you for the price listing - appreciate that!
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 8:13pm |
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I have an AC Industrial Dealer Price guide for those tractors. I will look and share what is listed.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 8:25pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 8:35pm |
Ages Cat - Would be great if you can find any information on the D12 Loader Backhoe and Options.
Steve: Excellent photo of the wonderful 615 machine. Mine has a loader but no backhoe. The shuttle clutch makes for a nice loader setup. Boy those 615's sure are a nice looking tractor. Then again just about any of the AC's are nice.
Thanks Guys! Orangeman
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 10:43pm |
First of all the 615 pictured is our tractor, probably photographed @ Orange Spectacular. The D-12 is listed in the book as a D12 Series II Industrial, Serial 3001 and up. Adjustable front axle, power shift rear wheels, with Traction Booster and Snap Coupler. Base price is $2294.00. With hydraulic, 2 spool, PTO, 3 point hitch and retractable drawbar it would cost $2814.00. This price list is dated May 26, 1965. The D-10 Industrial, Serial 3501 and up lists for $2087.00. With all the other add ons, the list price of it is $2655.00. Both are listed as Industrial wheel tractors. The I-40 is listed @ $2710.00. Reverser was a $148.00 option, the Hi-Lo range transmission was $128.50. I have more money in my I-400 engine than these tractors could be purchased new for in 1965.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 10:51pm |
The l-99 loader listed for $585.00. Pump list was $85.00 with the 15 GPM @129.00. The Mark 10 Backhoe listed for $1850.00. And $45.00 for the factory to mount it. On another note, in 1965, the D-21 Industrial tractor listed for $5713.00.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2012 at 11:37pm |
 Ages Cat wrote:
First of all the 615 pictured is our tractor, probably photographed @ Orange Spectacular. The D-12 is listed in the book as a D12 Series II Industrial, Serial 3001 and up. Adjustable front axle, power shift rear wheels, with Traction Booster and Snap Coupler. Base price is $2294.00. With hydraulic, 2 spool, PTO, 3 point hitch and retractable drawbar it would cost $2814.00. This price list is dated May 26, 1965. The D-10 Industrial, Serial 3501 and up lists for $2087.00. With all the other add ons, the list price of it is $2655.00. Both are listed as Industrial wheel tractors. The I-40 is listed @ $2710.00. Reverser was a $148.00 option, the Hi-Lo range transmission was $128.50. I have more money in my I-400 engine than these tractors could be purchased new for in 1965. |
Ages Cat, where did you get your 615 decals at?
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 7:36am |
Wow - Ages Cat that is some awesome information on the D12 Industrial. I haven't seen the machine that i have a line on yet but am hoping for a fixed front axle and fixed non spin out rear rims.
I noticed on the beautiful picture of your 615 that it has an alternator. Is the a Delco, Motorola, or Nippondenso unit?
Thanks again for the information sure appreciate it. Orangeman
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 8:34am |
Orangeman: It is a Delco 10S1. The I400 has a NAPA part number 213-4406, also a GM alternator but much smaller and fits better on the smaller engine enclosure.
Dean: The decals were made by Lyle Wacker in Nebraska. I heard a rumor that his son had taken over the business but cannot confirm it.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 10:13am |
LBH guess it works but TLB is most used term (tractor-loader-backhoe) The 615 detachable backhoe I have came off the HD4 loader I had. It is a 14' hoe and came with 24" bucket - it uses a Cesna - rotary piston swing cylinder which is mounted on top of hoe support unit and has splines that engage into hoe bolster - where as the AC 715B TLB I have uses 2 cylinders mounted on lower support area of hoe. Much of the 615 hoe and 715 hoe are same dimensions as far as cylinder length and pin sizes.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 10:29am |
How could a D-10 or D-12 have a forward / reverse Shuttle when they do not have a Power Director ? Gary
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 11:54am |
Gary: I see what you are suggesting, the 10 and 12 had 4x1 Constant Mesh Transmission for almost all of the line. Page 94 of Norms AC Farm Equipment 1914-1985 suggest that "during 1964 both tractors became the Series III ...the most significant change affecting performance was the availability of the range transmission". So was thinking that with a range transmission "i.e. Power Director" that it is conceivable that a shuttle was released for some of the very late units. I have not seen any 10 or 12's with shuttles but given the above it could be possible.
The I40 and I400 had a Constant Mesh tranny but with a direction reverser with no mention of a shuttle.
Anyone here know how well did the direction reversers work? I have been spoiled by the shuttle on the 615. Assuming AC engineers saw the merit in the shuttle and the direction reverser was not continued from a design and build standpoint.
More thoughts and comment appreciated.
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Coke: Thanks for the comparative info. on the 615 and 715. Very helpful....I am wondering what hoe was equipped on the HD5 and HD6 I have seen photos of hoes on 5's and 6's assuming these were Henry built units or were they Tractomotive?
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 1:20pm |
Gary is correct. Our I-400 has the range transmission-hi and low. The lever simply slides a gear to change the out put speed. The reverser is more of the same concept of shifting a gear with a lever. The 615 has the same clutch pack as the HD-3 and the same maintenance / rebuild procedure as the Power Director-Application of over center pressure to a stack of clutch discs.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 6:07pm |
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615 is based on a D-15, I40/400 are based on the D-12. The I-40/400/D-12 transmission had a reverser, or a Hi-lo, Still have to engage clutch to shift it.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2013 at 10:31pm |
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Correct regarding the basis for the tractor design. The 615D was improved by using the 200 cubic inch diesel which provided more power than the D-175 used in the I-600 and HD-3 tractors.
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