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WILLOPS 
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 Topic: D road grader engine swap
Posted: 02 Dec 2014 at 5:52am |
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Has anybody tried to put a cummins 4bt on a d road grader, I have a customer wanting me to do this, trying to figure out which engine to try to use
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 02 Dec 2014 at 7:35pm |
i have looked into this swap for my TL-12. the 4bt flywheel is bigger than the 45 or 17 flywheel , going by ring gear diameter. it would take some modifications. there may be a couple sizes on the 4 bt depending on what it came out of. I have had a hard time trying to figure out the specs on the 4bt vs the 226 motors, it can be done but at what $$$. i dont have one laying around and i wont spend money on a motor without better information.
Edited by CAL(KS) - 02 Dec 2014 at 7:37pm
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 02 Dec 2014 at 8:00pm |
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Equipment salvege guy told me they have weak spot...ring&pinion.I don't know but if true more power might work against you.
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 1:15am |
believe one of guys from down under is going to swap a 236 Perkins into a D was looking at a 3-71 DD transplant but got the Perkins at right price.
I have a Perkins 6-354 I was going to put in my Adams 411 grader to replace the IH UD-14 engine but have not needed a grader for years .
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WILLOPS
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Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 8:46pm |
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My customer just thought that we be a good engine , what a bout a Kubota four cylinder like a v2200
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 9:02pm |
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I have a F3 engine sitting in the shop. And a D grader. How tough would that be ?
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DiyDave
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Posted: 04 Dec 2014 at 4:34am |
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Before putting a Kubota in, you have to check the power curve of the new engine, versus the old, Most Kubotas develop max power at higher RPMs, than older AC engines...
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DonBC
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Posted: 04 Dec 2014 at 2:52pm |
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With the gearing on the D grader, unless you have the optional auxiliary drop down transmission, you want an engine that can develop lots of torque at lower rpm's.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 04 Dec 2014 at 5:21pm |
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whats wrong with a D17 or combine motor if you want a good fit with extra HP ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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WILLOPS
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Posted: 04 Dec 2014 at 9:09pm |
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Customer wants a good reliable Diesel engine, and I am Kubota dealer, and he is by far the best Kubota customer I got this man put kubotas on everything, to include a bad ass wood spliter I rigged up for him earlier this year.
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Mactractor
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Posted: 05 Dec 2014 at 3:33am |
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High rpm engines do not suit machines that were built with lower revers. As Don points out, the gearing is wrong for them. I mentioned that to a gentleman on here with ideas of putting a B Series Cummins in an HD11. To work the Cummins at a suitable output, it would be doing near twice the rpm the ol Buda was. For that reason, the B Series was suitable to replace 53 series Detroit (2600 rpm) 71 series Detroit is a good replacement for Buda/Allis because they are capable of working happily at 1500-1800 rpm
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