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D 15 II Rear Work Light Dilema?

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    Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:01pm
When i got this D 15 it had zip for Lights.

I got the head lights pieced together.

There is a mount welded to the rear of the seat with a slot that looks like it is for the work light.

On the left fender on the rear are two holes.  Forward one about 3/8 dia and rear about 1/4 diameter that are about 1 1/2 inches apart.  So there is no way a mounting bolt like on the fender would go thru there.

Do i possibly have a series one left fender?  Or is the mount (which I am missing) for the work light mount in those two small holes.  The new aftermarket work lights that I am looking at appear to have the large diameter bolt like the head lights.

need some guidance here please.  thanx

I been thinking and that is dangerous i know.  gonna use the front 1/4 hole in the fender for the carriage bolt.  Cut the mounting stud for the light down so it will fit completely under the mount by using a stop nut to fasten.  Run the wire through the existing little hole or create a new one for that.  By guess and by golly do a 1/4 hole for the stud on the rear of the mount.  i will make the adjustments to make it look right before tightening the mount down since I will probably never use it at night.  Thanks also for the pic Myron, i will use it for a guide.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DiyDave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:13pm
Original light on my 15 II has a casting, that mounts on the fender, a bolt and tit setup, I think.  OEM work light uses 2 bulbs, a big headlight type bulb, with a small red bulb, inserted behind it, and a switch on the top, to choose which bulb is on...
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My dad has a series II, 1968. His headlights are on the fenders, rear work light is mounted on left rear fender. Has a switch to turn on or off. No mounting holes in the right rear fender. Sounds like someone mounted a slow moving sign bracket on the seat, not a work light bracket. Just guessing. I will get a better look tomorrow in the light. Going off memory now.
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Earlier D15s had the work light mounted on the seat suspension just as you mention.  On later models (I do not know the date or year), the work light was relocated to the left fender and became multi functional:  a switch on the light toggled it between clear for field work and red for road use.  It sat on a mounting similar to the Series II headlights, that's why there is such a large hole in the fenders.

FYI, the mounting and correct light are available aftermarket.  If I recall, the mounting is around $20 (never bought any), but I know the light is $90.  I have bought a few.
Here is the one on my 1966 D15 II...

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I make the new tail light mount casting and also the head light mounts. also sell after market lights.
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I also have new rear fender work light mounting castings available, along with the one for the front light on the right fender. The rear light casting is on the right.

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Sorry I HAVE to say it...

JD had those rear work lights that switched to red for road use in the very early 50's. They were way ahead of their time. Allis must've copied them...

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Norm, do you have a website?
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Norm answered the telephone this am.

Thanks folks, I got the mount and light ordered.
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my website is www.normsactractors.com
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i now have the repop mount casting and the light.

The casting mount has a round (about 1/4 inch) stud in the casting with no threads on the rear of it.

My fender has the front hole for the carriage bolt and a smaller hole behind it for what I assume would be the power wire.

Question is should i grind the stud off of the mount or bore a hole in the fender for it to drop in.  Boring the hole would be kind of by guess and by golly.

I am thinking of grinding the stud off and relying on the front carriage bolt to hold things in place.

What do you think, or what is the answer on the mounting?
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Dave, the fender should have 3 holes to accommodate the casting.  Here is the order starting from the front of the tractor:  1) Carriage Bolt, 2) oval slot to adjust the angle of the light, 3) the stud.

The stud is important and should not be ground off as it keeps the mounting from moving around.  If anything, make sure your fender has a hole for it.  If it doesn't, it would be quite easy to drill one.  FYI, the power wire goes through the stud of the light and does not have its own designated hole in the fender.
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Myron, wow thanks for the reply and information.

Something is wrong with my fender.  All those holes you described make total sense.

Now since I am in the dark, I am wondering if I got a fender for the series 1, I understand that they had the little running light on the fender.  That may explain why the slotted mount is on the rear of the seat.

Now I m thinking that instead of getting the drill out, next spring i could fill and repaint that left fender and put the work light on the mount on the rear of the seat.

I don't know, I will probably wind up drilling the fender.  Most likely scenario since i got the wiring harness for the series II.  Confused
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Dave, the holes in your fender are correct. There was a small red bullet tail light mounted there. The work light was dealer installed. I think mine is on the right fender. Bob
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    Hey Dave,,,,the D15 II I had, did have the bracket for the rear work light on the seat assembly, but did not have any factory holes at rear of either fender. It was a 1963 model and a one owner tractor. The bracket had got bent up before I got it and took me forever to figure out how the light was bolted on,,,,,Wink,,a member here told me how the bracket was supposed to be positioned,,and once I heated and bent it back down, the light fit like a glove,,,,LOL
   When you gonna post some pics of yours,,,??Clap
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dave H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 6:33am
Joe, you would have to go stirring the pot. 

Hearing you chime in, I just might pout the work light on the bracket on the rear of the seat and leave those "factory looking" holes in the back of the left fender.  it is easy to confuse an old codger like me.

As far as pics, Allis is kinda bashful.  I pfarted around and did not get the long allis decal on the hood and you know the rest of the story since she resides in an unheated pole barn.  I gotta get that done next spring and will post a pic then.

I am starting to think more about oyster eating down there in the FL panhandle.  Wink
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Allis Dave....so did Farmalls back in the 40's.
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    Hey Dave,,,I figured you to already be down in the balmy Panama City area by now,,,what with all thet snow flyin up in your neck of the woods,,,,Clap (thet dang "Dennis The Menace) Shameless,,,,,LOL
   Our Son got deployed to South Korea for a whole damg year and has bout 6 months left of guardin against thet damg sabre rattling child over there,,,,,,and I'm hopin he decides to retire from the Air force after so many years,,but he really loves what he's doin,,just would rather do it in the states,,,,,,,,
  Back to the D15II, I'll throw another one out there, mine did not have the two factory holes on the rear of the left  fender like you mention but my D14 Industrial DOES,,,,AND  the PO of the D15II told me he never did anything to it except service it.
 The D14 has the two holes you describe, one small and one bigger and look to be same dems. as the factory holes on the front of the D15II fenders,,,,,,
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If the fender has 2 holes (1 big and one small), that is where the bullet style tail light would go.  The bigger hole for the stud and the wire goes in the smaller hole.  They were used until the Series II D15 came out.
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Originally posted by DSeries4 DSeries4 wrote:

If the fender has 2 holes (1 big and one small), that is where the bullet style tail light would go.  The bigger hole for the stud and the wire goes in the smaller hole.  They were used until the Series II D15 came out.


So is there a difference between the Series I and II fenders?

I am betting I have a series I fender. 

Maybe the thing to do would be to mount a bullet light on the fender and the work light on the mount behind the seat, then see if anyone ever questions the arrangement.  LOL
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Series I and II fenders are the same EXCEPT for the holes needed for the lights.  It's very possible that the fender got switched with a better one from a Series I before you got it.  You never know what can happen over 50 years.  Tractors can't talk either.
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Thanks all , that will get me down the road until spring.  Tongue
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