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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Have my engine installed with rebuilt clutch also had my flywheel turned . Trying to get 1/4 inch gap between front of release bearing and pressure plate finger . Backed my clutch pedal rod out so far that it fell out . Got it threaded back up a couple turns and I have about 7/16 inch gap . Sure hope there's an easy fix for this . THANKS !!
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21718 |
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Move the pressure plate fingers closer to the throwout bearing. It can be done thru the hole underneath.
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Thanks Dr Allis . I've been spending a lot of time looking up in that inspection hole . Sounds way better than taking it all apart again . Thanks !!
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Krazy Karl ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Location: SE MN Points: 203 |
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I'm going to have to split mine and do clutch work. I have a reproduce tech book. I was wondering best spot to attach lift to split between bell housing. Do you just use the rocker cover bolt for engine. And just a jack for the rear housing
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24568 |
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I used an overhead 4x8 Ibeam and two chain hoists on trolleys. Be sure to wedge blocks intot he tierod ends. They keep the front wheels from going 'funny' when you roll the 'front half' forward. I used solid wooden blocks under the tranny/rear section,put in gear and light tension on the chain hoist. I know maybe overthought it but better safe than ,oopsy, crash, dang, now I need a lot more than bandaids.....
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Tracy Martin TN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gallatin,TN Points: 10735 |
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How much was turned off flywheel. Where did you get clutch and pressure plate from? Tracy
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No greater gift than healthy grandkids!
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Karl , I pulled hoods , rad , etc . Then jacked up the tractor some about where the clutch inspection hole is . Then rolled the front axle out with my fav sons help . Then pulled the engine and put it on my engine stand . I used the valve cover studs to pull the engine . Probably not the best way to do things but it worked . Hope this helps you a little .
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21718 |
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Use all four valve cover studs by drilling four holes in a piece of angle iron.
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Tracy , I don't know how much was turned off my flywheel . Just enough to make it flat I guess , and Rick rebuilt my clutch . Wish I'd have paid more attention before I put the motor back in . Thanks !
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Tracy Martin TN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gallatin,TN Points: 10735 |
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Sounds like it had been turned before. The location of the clutch fork pivot doesn't help anything. I am sure Rick had everything set to specs. If you change the height of the fingers, you have to make sure the clutch has enough travel to disengage properly. I have had to buy a new flywheel before , where they had been turned too much. It would be best if the throw out bearing could be as rear as possible on the fork, and the fingers set properly. Then with the 1/4 inch gap, depressing clutch pedal would give optimum travel of assembly.The starting and stopping point of throw out bearing is critical. There is limited movement, and the finger height has to be correct to release and to hold properly. I hope this helps. Tracy
Edited by Tracy Martin TN - 25 Aug 2020 at 8:00am |
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Yeah thanks Tracy . Guess I'm gonna try to adjust the fingers through the inspection hole . Feel sure Rick had it set up right . Kinda worried I did something wrong but sure don't know what . Oh well . It's just nuts and bolts right ?
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Thanks Dr Allis . Drilling holes in a piece of angle iron and using all 4 valve cover studs sounds smart . I'm hoping I don't have to use that tip anytime soon .
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Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3690 |
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Ed...Yes, I had the clutch set properly like it should have been. Tracy and I have discussed this problem ourselves before and the more that's taken off the flywheel the farther away from the fingers the throw out bearing will be, so it would need to be re-adjusted to the 1/4" clearance. If it gets too far away and adjusting the fingers don't help, you probably need to get a new flywheel, because who knows how much has been taken off? Most people don't even think about that part. A guy could shim the flywheel at the crank...it's been done before, but you don't have a way to know just how much to shim it, unless you could find a new one at a dealer or something and check the thickness...that would work, too. A few things to consider when doing a unit in a D15. Seems to happen with that model a lot...Rick
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Thanks Rick . Probably doesn't help that my release bearing and clutch linkage are pretty worn either . Have my clutch pedal rod adjusted all the way out . Gonna finish putting tractor back together and see what happens and go from there . Thanks again !
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21718 |
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I would hope you have a new throwout bearing ??
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Yes Dr Allis . Brand new release bearing . Thanks !
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21718 |
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The length of the clutch pedal rod doesn't really affect how far forward the throwout bearing can go. There is an internal stop inside the bellhousing that limits the forward stroke. You must make the pressure plate fingers come back towards the throwout bearing. No need for a flywheel spacer, just adjust the fingers. I've had to machine some of those flywheels multiple times (5 times on a loader tractor) over their lifespan, so much so, that we were machining into the ring gear some. Always adjusted the finger height when assembled and it always worked out fine.
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Thanks again , Dr Allis . Looks like I loosen this 9/16 lock nut and then turn the adjustment bolt clockwise ? I'll give it a shot .
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21718 |
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Count how many "flats" you move the first bolt and make the other two the same.
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Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3690 |
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I've seen several times where the flywheel has been turned too many times and the owner had adjusted it to that 1/4" clearance, but it would slip, because of that...then it's time for a new flywheel or another good used one. Sometimes the guys driving those things abuse the he!! out of them, too! They came out with the pads from the factory and I've seen them have at least .060 wear in the flywheel...a time or two of that and you won't reach it with that adjustment...been there and saw that...Rick
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21718 |
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Well, if the clutch slipped with 1/4" distance from TO brg to finger tips, they must have machined the flywheel and then didn't machine the ring gear to allow the pressure plate to clamp up properly to the flywheel. That particular flywheel/pressure plate/ring gear must have the ring gear machined too at some point of depth. If that isn't done it can't work right.
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Thanks guys . Good info .
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Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3690 |
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Dr. Allis, that's right...the ring gear should also be turned, because otherwise it would be riding on the ring gear, allowing it to slip...that's true...not trying to pi$$ anyone off, just trying to help...not my first day on the job...
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Finally have this tractor back together and made a test drive around my shop today . Have way too much clutch pedal free play and release point is on the floor . That's what I figured . Gonna pull it back in the shop and attempt to adjust the pressure plate fingers . Hope to recruit my fav son to give me a hand . Thanks !
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21718 |
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As long as it fully releases when clear down, that's the way I like it !!! That "free-play" slowly, but surely diminishes as the clutch wears. Too many tractors I have seen let the freeplay get to zero and have a throwout bearing fail or clutch begins to slip, when there is still life left in the clutch, if it was adjusted properly. It's up to you. It's your tractor.
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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It does fully release when the pedal's to the metal . Yeah , I was wondering how long it would take to lose some of my free play . Thanks again , Dr Allis .
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2934 |
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Happy to say that my fav son came over today and we now have the clutch adjusted properly . Should be good for 50 years , or so . Thanks for everyone's help .
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