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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Butch(OH) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2013 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

 

How about the post where he said he was the most quoted person on here. Sometimes he quotes himself without adding anything so I guess that is possible Wacko

One for sure Charlie, heckling Pank sure beats working on the Co. financials,, I better get back to work. Tongue
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Ah reduce it another gram and add 10 pounds of metal to counterweight . thats your logic  . not a good logic but you own it wi

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If that's all the better your math is no wonder you never learn anything.

Why don't you explain why Honda adds weight to their cranks.
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Pank, with each passing post you prove more and more how very little you know about high performance pulling engines. if you can't understand the basic concept of what counter weight added to a crank accomplishes, I highly doubt you understand much of anything involved in building a motor. If you want to see a very early use of counterweighting take a look at any early American steam locomotive, look at the wheels and piston systems, the same basic principles are at work..........
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If i was a smart man and extrodinarly talented machinist i would increase the rod and main journal sizes while hollowing them to increase stiffness of the crank to the fourth power and keeping acceleration as quick as possible. At the cost of a little more bearing speed. Hnnn i always wondered where wi got the idea to use such large main caps now i know it cam from railroad tracks. I however never need railroad track main caps railroad track counter weights or larger rod journals after moving up to 1.88 and two inch .should have used railroad track for rods though. Got some beefy ones in hand now.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote unstylish_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2013 at 8:23pm
Well good then. Let's see them. If you did anything with Ron shipman, since u were asking for him, you got screwed. But then again, a hairlipped inbred and a retarded hillbilly, you all might get along.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ihateillinoisnazis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2013 at 8:29pm
Hahahahah ^^ This is one of the DUMBEST statements I have heard yet.  Where are you going to stick your oversize hollowed out crank? You surely won't have any room to put it in an engine block. The only hole big enough would be the a$$ hole you are talking out of. 

The only truth is you not being an exceptional machinist, that we know. You aren't a welder either... 



Hey Spank, Do you have a glass belly button?? 

You know, so when your head is so far up your a$$ you can still see where you are going...



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Rod and wi are constantly pointing out the problems with us allis pullers choice in engines either the 426 or the 226 .so maybe some of the allis fans know some of the faults of the competing brands that marty and rod are so proud of..for instance isnt ot the multi main bearing multi counterweighted john deere that has so many crank problems including that its journals can not be turned more than 10 for cleanup you are encouraged to purchase a new crank

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Bahahahaha. That's the funniest thing I've heard. Nazihater, Oliver did something like that. Never had a crank worth a Pank. You can kiss longevity goodbye. But it wouldn't matter. He never had anything last long anyway .
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Hey Spunkster. If you clean that glass belly button with Windex once and a while you will be able to see a lot better. I know, your head will still be up your a$$ like usual but maybe your typing skills will improve. Heck if you can see you might even be able to read the screen and learn something from others. Just think, with vision your welding might improve too! So many opportunities with a little Windex! 
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Avoiding my questions pankey? Can't explain the honda because you know you're wrong. You are right about 2 things, you're not a smart man or a talented machinist.
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Illinoisnazi if your truly a vibration analysis what does distance from center line on a gram of mass have as the rpms increase per thousand.also what happen when mass is further out from center doesnt it get stored like flywheel effect. Doesnt the crank accelerate and decelerate. So what effects does that stored energy have on the crank.ponder on it and get back . Unstylish journal overlap isnt blah blah. Thats why your 4.5 cranks standardbearing size
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Go back to physics one Pank. That's simple math.   ...And didn't we already have the discussion: heavy vs light flywheels, and didn't you argue both ways because you forgot what you said the week prior.  


Maybe when you answer one of my questions I will enlighten you with some math.  
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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Rod and wi are constantly pointing out the problems with us allis pullers choice in engines either the 426 or the 226  

Time to check for radiation leaks at the plant again Pank. 
  As far as anyone on here knows you got 5 runs out of your AC hot rod (or was it bent rod?LOL) then deep sixed the AC for a BBC, at least that as the story last week.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glockhead SWMI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2013 at 8:21am
I dont think Spanky is teaching me anything but I sure feel a lot smarter every time I read one of his posts.
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You got it all wrong Butch, that was 3 weeks ago he was building a BBC, about Christmas time was an Allis, then we went to the 7" stroke Allis untill I had to explain how to make it fit.  Then about a month back he was building a Allis, then back it was to the BBC, last week was an Allis for someone else, and all allong the one he blew up years ago is still running......I think I got it right. 
 
 
I'd be willing to bet $$$ that he's pulling this summer with all of them, winning every hook, though will be unable to give anyone specific details of when and where..... I bet he even has 3 open Super Stocks, 2 Modifieds and 6 FWD trucks runnning NTPA and PPL circuts.
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And Terry blackborn calls him for help lol
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Originally posted by Glockhead SWMI Glockhead SWMI wrote:

I dont think Spanky is teaching me anything but I sure feel a lot smarter every time I read one of his posts.

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Bbc is built building chasis.
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So the chassis is for your cutting edge 6 cylinder naturally aspirated Chevy???
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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Bbc is built building chasis.


What's a chasis?
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Cry  Panky    ClapSmileClapThumbs Up The rest of us  . Don't let up now guys ! LOL
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Originally posted by Butch(OH) Butch(OH) wrote:

Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

Spunkster, why don't you explain to us why a 426 AC crank has no counterweight? Why a JD has weights on all and why an IH 400 series has weights on 4 of the 6 cylinders? Of the 3 why is the non weighted AC crank the most likely to fail? Cummins and Cat are weighted.

Or better yet why pullers need to add the weights for durability?
I havent researched it thoroughly but my start on research would be on if there was any difference in firing orders of differing brands of engines to crank design. firing order can change torsional loads and lessen vibration

Hey Moron, all 4 stroke inline 6 cylinders you will ever work on fire 1-5-3-6-2-4. Repete, ALL.
Your differing firing order excuse dont ride, You dont know what you are talking about,,, as usual.


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Originally posted by Jordan(OH) Jordan(OH) wrote:



L crawler is 1-4-2-6-3-5

Yup, and there are others, thats why I added "you will ever work on" for Pank.  There is a reason that 99% of them and virtually all built in the last 50 years fire 1-5-3-6-2-4 and it has to due with this vibration and crank torsion topic tooWink  The A-C L-90 basically fires the front half the engine, than the rear, no wonder why they had to split intake and put two carbs on them. 
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Oops someone explained something to Mitch. Now it will have to be " what he already knew".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken(MI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Feb 2013 at 12:59pm
I think Butch learned some of that at Pankey's last clinic LOL
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Mitch Pankeys Barney Taylor Jack Coronett Ronnie Shipmans builds on 226 engines dont hav counterweights on the cranks and are competitive. None have them have railroad track size main caps either. Shipmans rod are nice beefy hard billet pieces. Coronetts cranks are nitrated after stroking or at least the 6.5 is. Rods the moron that said tbey were only one firing order. I knew the were several options for l6 engines.

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You were praiseing those main caps on yt
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Nope never praised. All things shiny. It was pure sarcasim
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