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Cordless 1/2" drill for starting a handcrank B

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    Posted: 04 Nov 2022 at 7:13pm
I was thinking of trying a battery operated 1/2" drill to start a handcrank only model B , or any other model/brand with handcrank starting .   make like a drive apex bit , with the crank  end that goes into crank socket on tractor.  Has anyone tried this, before I spend the $ on the drill and cut a crank handle up,   any other ideas about this ?  Thanks, Ken  

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"IMPACT" might not be the best .... might need a CONSTANT ROTATION like an electric motor ?

how about a starter motor or electric motor belt driving the PTO shaft to start ? ... when it starts, push in the clutch and disengage PTO... you would need to gear it down since the PTO turns about 1/3 as fast as the engine.


Edited by steve(ill) - 04 Nov 2022 at 7:22pm
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Yes your right, what was I thinking, ok then a 1/2" chuck cordless drill......  has anyone tried this?  What do you think Steve ill ?    
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I think if you could turn the PTO shaft at 20- 30 RPM it would start... I would work from the back....im just thinking a BIG REDUCTION would fit in the back... If you had a big enough drill you could do the front... Think how hard it is to crank by hand .. Do you really want to be holding that drill ?

In the back, a 12 inch pulley ( sprocket/ chain) on the PTO.. a 1 inch pulley down below near the  draw bar.. belt running between them... 12 :1 reduction for your drill.... ??


Edited by steve(ill) - 04 Nov 2022 at 7:30pm
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I have used a !/2" corded electric drill to start a 39 B.  Turned down end and machined flats on drill end, used a solid pin cut from grade 5 bolt on end to engage engine.

Edit, tractor does not have a pto.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenbow56 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2022 at 8:29pm
OK good it has been thought of and done before,  good idea on rear PTO reduction Steve, Mine has a PTO cover plate  on my 38 B, no PTO available at present time.  Yes was thinking holding drill to crank may be tuff on my arm hand as well....  Thinking drill with clutch !  ?   It is hard to crank over with hand crank, I aint a weenie but have severe pain it my right shoulder and arm, elbow from twisting wrenches most my life, arthritis has set in.   Thanks  for your ideas, TMiller and Steve ill,   I will think on it a bit more.  For now parking on a hill , poppin the clutch is working OK.   Good thing for hills.  I like this B since it is old and handcrank only !!!   I'm weird I guess.  
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Ok, just gonna throw out a wild thought here. Would it be possible to start it with the generator? Like the old Briggs and Stratton engines did with the starter/generator.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenbow56 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2022 at 9:58pm
Good thought on Generator start, have seen them on older Cub Cadet's, not sure how strong they are?    It might work.    This 1938 B  has no generator though nor starter!  Magneto Ignition only on this Lil B.  I was thinking something just for cranking it, not to install or detract from it's original no accessories originality.  possibly one could make a generator bracket and run it to the crankshaft pully and add a battery.... not sure it might work out???  If it had a belt pulley PTO  I could also try that off one of my Farmall A's belt pulley PTO, they are newer though  1944 and 45 models.   thanks  truckerfarmer for idea.
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park it on a hill and pop start it, or jack up the rear and start it by turning a wheel...  Just be careful and have an assistant.Wink

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My bad, Kenbow. Thought never crossed my mind that you didn't have a generator on there. Totally understand your desire to keep the clean look.
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I would be hesitant to use the PTO, especially when starting it alone. What happens after it starts, before you can get to the clutch?

At least by using some sort of adaptor on the crank pulley, the starter would be disengaged when the tractor starts.

If someone isn't physically capable of crank starting a B, I would be hesitant of cobbling up something that may end up leading to an injury or worse.
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My first thought was .. 10-15HP B&S engine, 6:1 reduction, some kind of 'clutch-grabby' thing, on a 2 wheeled cart ,then thought about the units some drag cars have to start them but.... now...
I'm thinking you could buy a 'newer' B, with electric starter and a genny for less or equal what you'll spend  trying to 'replace the crank'.
Buy a 'newB', fix it up, use it..keep your 'pride and joy' in a nice dry,clean shed

NONE of us are getting any younger ,the older we get....

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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

park it on a hill and pop start it, or jack up the rear and start it by turning a wheel...  Just be careful and have an assistant.Wink

 Or a couple of ramps.
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the BEST long term plan is park at the top of a small hill.... you can always pull start if needed.
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My B is hard to turn with hand crank as engine is recently rebuilt, I extended the length of crank giving me more leverage to turn engine,  also repositioned the pin angle so when engaged in engine it is about 11:00 position so pull crank over the top, rather than pulling up on it.

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I have a couple of 1/2 Milwaukee drills. Trust me the last think you want to do is have ahold of one if something catches. You would need some kind of clutch. I like TMiller's idea. May try that.
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My 1/2 cordless drill wouldn't start a 6 HP brigg's I don't believe it would start a B. how about you just rebuild Mag and tune the B My wife she's not a big woman could crank start my C after getting the timing and carb set it would start with just an easy single pull on the crank. there was a lot of twisting force on the drill when trying to start the briggs it was a two handed hold when it kicked back it was as bad a a crank kickback. 

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Originally posted by TMiller/NC TMiller/NC wrote:

I have used a !/2" corded electric drill to start a 39 B...


This proves that it can be done with a corded drill, some of the new cordless drills are pretty potent.

I would want a physical stop to prevent the drill torque from being too much to hang on to. A simple bolt screwed into the front cultivator mount hole should suffice.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

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I'm thinking you could buy a 'newer' B, with electric starter and a genny for less or equal what you'll spend  trying to 'replace the crank'...


I truly wish I could find one of those inexpensive B's within a day's drive from here...Smile
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I have a 3/4 hp black and decker drill, 5/8 chuck, that we used to raise silo unloaders years ago, the drill can be a wrist breaker if you don't hold on tight. Yes, I have a 5/8 rod about a foot long with a roll pin at one end. I have actually used it on the 37 U. Roll engine with hand crank just past last fire, that gives a little time for drill to get some momentum before next compression. But be careful. After ignition, only pull crank out an inch until drill comes to a complete stop to remove from pedestal. I'm not telling you to do it but yes it can be done.
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I use an 18 volt, 1/2" Dewalt drill to bench test spark on cast iron B&S single cylinder engines (spark plug removed). I learned the hard way how quick the drill needs to be disengaged from the crank when flywheel momentum wants to keep it spinning. I can't imagine how anyones wrist will take the torque from a 4 cylinder when it comes up on compression. The starter generator idea has merit even if you just use the starter half of the equation. Plus you have the added benefit of adding charging if you want. You will need a pulley on the B much larger diameter than the front crank pulley. I am guessing the pulley on the garden tractor engines is in the 8" range.
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Bosch makes a hydraulic 42MT starter with 11 tooth Bendix drive that will fit most Cat, Cummins, Detroit 14ish liter engines. I have run it off 30 gpm hydraulic from 325 hp 4wd and has lots of torque and power. It would be too big for your B but they might have a smaller version. Just a thought but it would require a power source and a way to attach it to your tractor??? Maybe a temporary mount on the front where the crank goes that just lifts off after it is running. Electric motor powered hydraulic power pack at the shop!
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