| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
jkoepke 
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote  Reply
 Topic: clutch issues ADDED PICTURES
Posted: 21 Aug 2018 at 10:32pm |
|
Hi Guys, I have a old cleat track dozer with a wd45 motor and tranny in it. This has been the best running machine i have been around. I use it to plow snow and level out my drive way. I have had it about 10 years. Every once in a while when i start it and put in gear i get a little grinding but not bad like the clutch is not fully disengaged. i was on it this last week scraping some gravel about half the time i stop to change direction i could not get back in gear unless i shut motor off ,put in gear and restart and go. some times if shifts perfect with no issues. Is there a inspection plate on bottom of wd45 bell housing? I havent crawled under it yet. if there is a inspection plate what should i look for under the plate? I have tried adjusting the clutch to give it more free play space. I dont want to separate motor/tranny unless i have to. Thanks for any help or advice
Edited by jkoepke - 26 Aug 2018 at 11:27pm
|
 |
|
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
JC-WI
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: wisconsin
Points: 34257
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 12:34am |
Sure would like to see a picture of it...
WD/45 had bell housing bolted to hydraulic and /pto/hand clutch section... older WC's had transmissions bolted to clutch housing.
|
|
He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that."
|
|
B26240
Orange Level
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
Location: mn
Points: 3860
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 6:03am |
|
You need LESS free play to get more dissengagement. Could be dry/bad pilot bearing or maybe loose rivets or lining coming apart. Sounds like you have had good service from this unit so you should consider doing a proper fix by removing the engine and fixing it right. I also would like to see a picture.
|
|
jkoepke
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 8:47am |
|
Ok thanks for the help/advise sounds like I need to pull it apart. Im not exactly sure what I have but looking at pictures it looks like a hg crawler. Im sure the engine is a allis chalmers but I guess im not sure what the bell housing on back is. I haven't done a lot of research on it because never have had any issues. The engine has a water pump and inspection plate on side if that helps. I did replace the manifold when I first got it because one of the ears had been broke off and wanted to fix it. That is when I realized it was a allis chalmers motor. I will try and post pictures on here when I get some. Thanks
|
|
jkoepke
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 11:53am |
|
I don't know much about the differences in the allis chalmer motors or trannys. I have been reading a little about clutches on here. What is the "hand clutch" where is that in relationship to the foot clutch. I don't seam to have the hand clutch. Thanks
|
|
Alberta Phil
Orange Level
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: Alberta, Canada
Points: 3889
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 8:52pm |
|
It's probably an Allis 'B' or 'C' engine. There have been several installed on the HG crawlers and make a nice installation.
|
|
jkoepke
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 26 Aug 2018 at 9:53pm |
|
I took another look at my dozer today I think the motor and bell housing are from wd 45 then it's married to the HG transmission. I used it a little over the weekend clutch works great sometimes but not diisengage some times. It does not slip at all. I took some pictures but could not figure how to make them small enough to post on here. The motor block has a stamp of AM 3853-21. Are all wd45 engine clutches the same? I need to get a kit ordered up thanks
|
|
jkoepke
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 26 Aug 2018 at 11:15pm |
|
|
|
jkoepke
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 26 Aug 2018 at 11:17pm |
|
|
|
jkoepke
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 26 Aug 2018 at 11:22pm |
|
|
|
shameless dude
Orange Level
Joined: 10 Apr 2017
Location: east NE
Points: 13607
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 12:42am |
|
that's a sweet looking little dozer! I don't think you'll hafta take it apart, prolly just do sum adjustments. it' don't look like it's been abused!
|
|
JC-WI
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: wisconsin
Points: 34257
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 10:11am |
Okay, the engine looks like a WD45 engine, the clutch /flywheel housing may have come from a 100 combine... if it is foot clutch, it will be a spring loaded clutch, if it is a hand clutch, that will be a snap over designed clutch such as a rockford. The tracks look like they are from an HG oliver.
Thanks for the pictures.
|
|
He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that."
|
|
Gerald J.
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Hamilton Co, IA
Points: 5636
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 1:08pm |
|
You can shrink picture sizes with the picture loading option. Set the width to 640 and the height to 480 on the lower left corner of the options.
Gerald J.
|
|
TramwayGuy
Orange Level Access
Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Location: Northern NY
Points: 11680
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 1:47pm |
|
There’s a bit more power in that engine than the one that came in that machine! Please keep that in mind as you use it.
|
|
BenGiBoy
Orange Level
Joined: 11 Nov 2015
Location: Ashville, NY
Points: 704
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 6:23pm |
Nice little dozer! Good luck getting her back to 100%!
Ben
|
|
'39 Model B
Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that!
|
|
jkoepke
Bronze Level
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Location: idaho
Points: 32
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 Sep 2018 at 7:57pm |
|
Had a chance to work on dozer for a bit this weekend. I pulled the cover off between bell housing and transmission and they are coupled together with a chain sprocket coupling. With the motor off and transmission in gear, clutched pushed in i can spin the out put shaft with one finger. I could not fill the slightest resistance at all. I started the motor with clutch in and watched the out put shaft. It turned fast at the start but but slowed way down after about 20 seconds. I can barley touch the output shaft with a stick and it quits turning. Once it quits turning it stays stopped until i let out the clutch. Im starting to think it may be a little rust on flywheel/pressure plate or maybe little oil on clutch making it a little sticky. Tried pulling inspection cover off bottom of bell hosing but there is a cross member there and cant get to bolts to pull cover.
|
|
WF owner
Orange Level
Joined: 12 May 2013
Location: Bombay NY
Points: 4906
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 Sep 2018 at 6:31am |
|
Bad pilot shaft bearing/bushing?
|
|
