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    Posted: 28 Nov 2018 at 2:45pm
How big chisel will a 8010 allis or 7000 handle comfortably? Thinking buying a chisel but not sure what width or if tractor can handle one? What brands and models do you all prefer?
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Depends on soil and what type of plow, how deep and how heavy the plow is. I pull a 9 shank old MM (a rebadged Krause) 9" deep with the 190XT. The shanks are 12" on center and have 3" twisted shovels. The 9 shank Min-Til 1500 can stop my 7050 and cause it to spin out. It has the shanks at 15" on center and 3" shovels at about 10" depth and straight disk blades in front. Last year I took 4 shanks off and run 30" on center for the 1500 and 12" deep or maybe deeper, not sure how deep it exactly goes.


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I had a 10ft-9shank on a 7000.   There is a lot to figuring out what/where.  that is where i would start; then you can adjust the amount of shacks to what u wanna do.   at the end, i had 2 shanks that ran between the rows and left the corn stubble standing.   mine had hydralic wheels to set the depth.  I went to a 3 shank ripper, that fit my needs much better then the chisel!
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Think the saying is 10hp per shank if just a chisel 15hp for disk chisel
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Better have 20 HP per tooth in my area with the red clay if you want to pull a chisel plow like it should be pulled.
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Originally posted by Krazy Karl Krazy Karl wrote:

Think the saying is 10hp per shank if just a chisel 15hp for disk chisel
 
Drats !,I was hoping a disc chisel would pull easier/shank due to the straight discs loosening the ground.
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Dad pulled a 12' 12 shank Brady, with a JD 4020 with duals, and M&W turbo. An 8010 or 7000 should be able to handle one as well.
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9 shanks on a 7050 and that is all I need. If I want to pull it like a field cultivator, it would more.      MACK
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For a 7000/8010 I would say a 5 shank would fit well. I pull a 7 shank Allis Chalmers 1500 min till with my 7020, but I'm not going very deep and I know it's making her work. Finally found a 7045 so I don't need to work the 7020 as hard.
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I bought a 5 shank deep "V" sub soiler on an auction, took off the outter shanks on each side so I had 3 left, I dropped it in a couple foot, I went diagonal of the rows in the field. that was with my 7010, it didn't pull the chit out of the tractor but it let me know something was back there.
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I have a 9 shank I pull behind my 200. It is a pull type unit. It is a Bush Hog brand. I do not have any front weights and the front is very light. I don't have any problem pulling it but you sure know it is there.
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Originally posted by Krazy Karl Krazy Karl wrote:

Think the saying is 10hp per shank if just a chisel 15hp for disk chisel
 
That's what I've always heard and it holds true thinking about how we chistle.
The disk chisels we run a 9 on the 150 HP tractor and an 11 on the 200 HP FWA. You can't pull the 11 shank with the FWA turned off.
 
Used to pull an 11 shank 3pt with the JD 4020 and it was a little too much for it. The 120HP tractor later was a good match.
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I pulled a Bush Hog 12 shank chisel (12" on center & 3" twisted) with the 7050 and it was a breeze for it. Sunk it in all  the way. I thought the 9 shank 1500 was going to be a breeze too. Boy was I wrong!
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On the land I farm when in the good dirt my XT will roll on with a 7 shank but in the red clay (which I have a lot of) it is all it wants and then some
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I never had a disc chisel, any drawbar hooked equipment will need a heavier tractor and because there is no draft control may go deeper and need more power. I have used a 10 shank 3 bar,3 pt 3 inch twisted on a 7000 with duels but it would dino 128 pto . I now have a 2 bar 9 shank 3 pt with chisel points and it works well here on the 8010 or 210. If your in corn ground that is different.if mounted you'll need a 3 bar plow. I never worried a lot about the clay banks, not gonna produce anyway. Subsoil and move on. If I went to buy a disc chisel for the 8010 it would probably be a 5 shank, but don't see that in my future. Have you looked at offset disc, I use it more with a subsoiler than I do the chisel. Hope this helps
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This is all good info thank you all for your help
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If you decide to proceed with a chisel plow I have a Mohawk 1100 with eleven shanks that is for sale. It's a 3 point model with gauge wheels. Needs points. 
We pulled it with a 4020, then 4230 in sandy loam river bottom soil.
I'm located in north central Arkansas.
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OK, please educate me, why do you pull HUGE chisels like that ? Is it to breakup the soil cause it's really 'tight' or hard ??

I have an A-C subsoiler,goes down  2 feet, but wife's garden is real loamy. Those chisels only go down 9-10" , so I'm curious.
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Chisel are a tillage tool, less evasive than a moldboard and leave some residue on top for some erosion control. They are not for breaking up a hard pan. Normaly can pull a wider chisel than you can a moldboard plow thus cover more ground faster.
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Actually breaking up the subsoil/hard pan is why I use a chisel plow,I shoot for around
16" deep opens up the ground for water to go in and for roots of plants to be able to penetrate.
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Thanks for the info guys !!
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Guys I want say thanks for your help. I decided to just pull the 4 bottom plow. I have a Rome offset disc but wanted to break it up deeper. So plowing it is.
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