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Pretty sure I read through the entire thread, but I didn't see it stated what the OP mainly uses his saw for. Probably NOT trunk trim at the Christmas tree farm.
I think one needs a 14-16" mini saw for cleanup in the tight areas. And a 20" or bigger for the good size work.
One thing I found out was that if the guide bar slot width is really worn, even a new chain will not cut. I guess the links just lean away too much and bounce off the wood.
Ethanol gas hasn't caused me problems lately.
The Husky 455 Rancher original 20" bar doesn't allow for enough chain tightening range.
Their bar with the replaceable tip allows use of more adjustment range.
Better fuel economy is a good thing, also maybe the saw stinks less.
I think they are all noisy, no one has a muffler breakthrough?
The saw is getting heavier for as the years roll on.

I can remember when we mixed 16:1 ratios. And fiddling with points. So fondly reminiscing about old saws is quaint, but I would look only at the new generation.
When they add cat converters, EGR and smog pumps, then another story.
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X2 on the Dolmar (Makita)--PS-420 @42cc and 13,500 RPM w/bar and chain.  Fitted with 14" bar/chain.  I play back-up with son and son-in-law running big Makitas. New in 2012; replaced a Sachs-Dolmar Model 112 w/16" bar that was bought in 1985.  Awesome saw but servicing dealers are rare.  RLM
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Originally posted by Pat the Plumber CIL Pat the Plumber CIL wrote:

Stihl , run canned gas and never have a problem getting one to start. Friend cuts firewood for a living. He runs canned gas every 3rd time he fills saw . Makes sure canned gas is in it when it sits . Canned stuff is pricey but stuff sure rins better with it. Long shelf life , no ethanol, and no mixing .


I did not even know there was such a thing until I had a big pine limb to get into the electric transformer the other day and catch afire; that was a bit exciting. --- nothing I did; the wind did it.
When the power company guys came with the bucket-truck, they had five one-gallon cans of the stuff sitting in the back of the truck.
When I asked about it, they had no real better-or-worse answers; just that, the powers that be decided it was cheaper in the long run than having to make sure they had gas and oil-mix and always having to hunt down real gasoline and not the car stuff.
And, there was always the possibility that someone assumed the jug had the mix already in it when it did not.
They said the canned stuff was ever so much more convenient; and, with the canned stuff, there were no more costly mistakes.

For what it's worth, they use Stihl saws.
Curiously, several of the other bucket-truck contractors around here have hydraulic-powered saws; but, the power company does not use them.
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Looking to up grade chainsaws , have a 038 Stihl Farmboss that I've had for 30 years, it works good but someone said an 029 super will out cut it big time and a lot lighter too,, any experience with them? What's everyone using?


I use my old 029 Stihl Farm Boss almost daily.
I have a band-mill and use it extensively with that as well.
The guy I used to work for had several Husqvarna; they will cut, but everything about them -- at least the ones he had -- is flimsy and easy to break, such as the ON/OFF, throttle, and oiler buttons; they didn't withstand the occasional tree falling on them very well either.
Some people won't have anything else, so there you go.

I had not owned my 029 a week before I made some very important upgrades that made it a keeper.
I discarded the "safety" chain; .325 pitch if I remember correctly -- whatever is standard for them.
I got a different clutch housing with replaceable roller sprocket --- 3/8 pitch.
I discarded the 16" original bar and replaced it with a 20-inch Oregon PowerMatch
I use the NON-Safety old-timey Oregon chain -- 072 some-such-or-other.
When I bought all this stuff, I got several of everything and enough chains to last me for decades, which is why the various part-numbers don't come to the top of my head.

The change to 3/8 pitch chain made all the difference in the world.

If I had not made these modifications, I probably would not have kept the saw; as, all that "safety" crap turned a good saw into a useless toy.

Weight is NOT a factor in a chainsaw; if you can't swing a heavy saw for a few hours, you probably don't need to be using a light one either.

If I had it to do over, I probably would have went with the 039 Farm Boss of the same year.

I have always wanted an old-style 066, but have never had the extra money to buy one.

I hope this is of some use to you in your saw buying decision.

Around here, a person can get their nose bloodied or worse in a chainsaw brand discussion; people are sensitive about such things. 
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From me too Ted, some times just need a rant.
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Your story TEDDY get over it! Didn't say anything about you as a person, gave my opinion on a chainsaw and being it wasn't the one you liked you went on a rant about me. I see on another thread that you are also a plumbing expert WOW not only did you saw a hole in everyone's house in Wisconsin you also plumbed all of them. We have all been thru storms, we had a major ice storm up home in 78 if I would have known you was a PROFESSIONAL CHAINSAW OPERATOR back then you could have saved us a lot of work! Teddy I feel sorry for you nothing to do but insult people that have different chainsaws than you. So now since my opinion is different than yours you want to run your mouth about me. All your blabbering tells me what kind of person you are. All I can say is maybe you should check your DEPENDS because I think they are full of it.

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It's OK by me Ted. Hope you feel better. I know I would. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by 200 10and20 200 10and20 wrote:

As usual you know everything!! I just gave my opinion like everyone else! Since you are the local know it all have at it!!!!! I have owned and used a lot of saws I wasn't talking about saws made 70 freaking years ago I was talking about a saw that is built today!!!!!!! What a company use to make and what they make today are all together different. You must have been awful busy using all those saws, the whole town must have burnt down while you was busy cutting the National Forest down!! And you think you know everything about Allis Chalmers. WOW!!
Usually I just shake my head and forget about a blowhard like you seem to be.  But I had to get this off my chest.  Did I mention anything about a saw that was "70 freaking years" old?  NO, I did not.  Didn't I just STATE that I just bought a NEW saw and it's GREAT.  We have more trees in this town than just about anywhere in the nation.  You ever have a storm?  One that knocked down trees?  THAT is where I get most of my experience with saws in the last 50 years.  Previous to that, the ONLY heat we had at home was a wood stove.  Yes, I spent every winter cutting and splitting wood to stay warm.  That is what I consider experience.  I have NEVER said I know everything about Allis either.  I've stated that I have learned a lot from a lot of people on here.  These are facts.
If you can't be positive, shut up.  You don't have to be derogatory toward another person.  That just shows your ignorance, it just shows your insecurity.

Sorry guys, you that know me know I'm not that kind of person.  It's just that I've dealt with people like him most of my life and since I can't get fired for it now, I had to get it off my chest.  Sorry for the rant.
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I have the MS 251.  Runs forever on a tank of gas.  To do the same job with the old Homelite 360 would take four tanks of gas.
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If you get the MS 251 I will be curious what your thoughts are coming from an 038. The 038 is a good bit more powerful. I grew up running 028 Wood Bosses as we only heated with wood. Once I finished school and moved out I bought an MS 250 (almost identical to MS 251 power-wise). It's a great saw for me as I don't heat full-time with wood but I did notice the slight power difference when I cut into some 12" diameter honey locusts here.

I guess I'm a little worried you might not be getting a big enough saw, unless the 038 is overkill for what you do now.

Wish I could've found an 028 WB that I trusted but I just don't have faith that people on CL or FB have taken good enough care of a saw that old over the years. My MS 250 started after a few pulls this fall... Been sitting for a year, and the gas that was in it was 2 years old but at least it was ethanol-free 91 octane with the Stihl synthetic mix. My local Stihl dealer told me with the newer saws you don't want to keep pulling on full choke until you hear it fire, like I was used to with older saws. He said 3 pulls max and then flip it to half choke otherwise you'll flood it. I know some guys buy new saws and have a heck of a time starting them, and he seems to think that's a lot of the reason.
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I have an Echo, a Husky, a Mac, a Sears(Poulan) and one no one has mentioned. A Lombard Super Lightning!! The Loggers I have talked to use either Husky or Stihl. Husky's are a faster easier to use saw. They said the air intake was set up to keep the saw dust from the air cleaner. But they said buy either. Man give Ted a break. 
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Jonsered good saws, but after a time became a red and black Husky (they come outa the same factory)
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Do I dare mention a Jonsered?  I bought this back in the 70`s and still runs fine.  Cleaned the carburetor once.  I will admit this saw is not a saw I use a lot of,  may sit on the shelf for weeks and sometimes months without being started. I burned wood back in the 70`s and 80`s,  but not any more.
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Folks,
I use the small Stihl saw I think its a 025 ish unit? I just pick them up and use them when needed. It has the old man start. Love that feature! Works good for me. I dont cut as much wood any more. Backed over it with the Ford Jubilee this spring. Picked it up out of the lawn and started it. That's good enough for me. 

Had a old Poulan in the way back machine 40 years ago! Was good till it got warm then no start. The old McCullough's cut a bunch of wood but had issues and were not much better. 

Did wear out one small Stihl years ago cutting pallets to make syrup. Blew out the case. Junked it after several attempts to repair.

Keep your chain sharp!
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As was said about each saw not just the model or the brand has a personality Wink I think explains alot.
Would explain how the BIL's little Hushy was a pain to start ether hot or cold.

The saw that most disappointed me was a Homelite Super XL that was not long before Homelite was bought out. Right on the cap it said mix less oil than the older ones used.I a lot of times still ran 32 to 1 rather than 40 or 50 to 1 as it went in other saws that still wanted 32 to 1. It and a cheapy Poulan both running when shut off, and next time I took them out seized. 

The little Echo has been the best starting saw ever. Been used on fence repair as much as wood cutting. Top handle so easy to hold corral board and cut. Perfect size to carry on barb wire fence work, or to brush out a tree.
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Wish they built saws as well as Brother In Laws old ProMac 1000, was a tad heavy but unstoppable with a chisel chain on a 28" bar. As my Poulan 3400, parts have pretty well disappeared for it too.
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Stihl , run canned gas and never have a problem getting one to start. Friend cuts firewood for a living. He runs canned gas every 3rd time he fills saw . Makes sure canned gas is in it when it sits . Canned stuff is pricey but stuff sure rins better with it. Long shelf life , no ethanol, and no mixing .
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Chainsaws... seems they all have a temperment of their own... some worse than others... and some better than others.
  Had pretty good luck with older Jonsereds, but don't know about the new ones. Actually liked the economy of the 52E cuts more than any other saw I had on a tank load of gas.
  Have Echo saws, but older models and they were good saws in the day, again, don't know about the new ones.
  Got a couple Stihl saws, used ones, the MS290 has been good, but the MS250 isn't as nice, might be the carb, or crank seals.
  Huskies? no Clue other than neighbor has to use ether on his to start the first time... but he is a little ruff on stuff too.
   I think I would like to try a new Echo... but then again, it would be nice if there was a hands on demonstration of all the saws to see what fits a person best... weight, balance, bar length, horse power, and torque... and if the thing feels flimsy.
 
Make sure the saw your buying isn't a cheapened version to sell cheap in a box store...
I read on a tag of a newer Poolon the life expectancy of it was 50 hours. ... So look close to see if the cylinder wall is steel or chromed or just aluminum, and if the saw has sleeved or ball bearing on the crank... and then look on the internet to see what others have to say about the model your looking at.
 

 Mark, I bought a saw at a pawn shop one time set up with the chain on backwards... and bought one that somebody had taken two chains to extend out for a long bar and one-half was riveted on backwards. Also bought one saw cheap because they said it was seized up... and got it outside and pulled the brake off and it fired right up. LOL you just never know.
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Got a mixture of both Stihl and Husky as I would watch the loggers switch back and forth between the two brands as the models changed and they are still doing that. Heard a while back my dads old Pioneer is still running for its present owner.
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here is the "B" and "E" added to the Stihl
 
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    Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

    Originally posted by 200 10and20 200 10and20 wrote:

    Doug buy the 029 hell of a saw I'm 64 and I love mine had it a couple years. Sweet saw don't buy a Husquvarna you would be better of with a axe!!
    Joe, HOW MANY chainsaws have you owned?  How many trees have you cut down?  People have different opinions and Doug has asked for them.  WHY would you say that a Husqvarna is worse than an axe?  How many have you ever used??!!

    I've used HUNDREDS of saws.  Yes, that is right HUNDREDS!!  On our little city of over 50,000, the fire department of which I was a member for over 30 years, used both for a while, but just about everyone would rather use the Husqvarna.  That is all we had on the rigs for the last 15 years or so.

    How many fire department axes have you ever used Joe?  So, you opinion is welcome, but when you start spouting something that isn't true, you had better be prepared to back up anything you've stated.

    Sorry to the rest of you guys, but up until now, everyone has stated which saw they like and the reasons for doing so.  No one, up until now, has said anything degrading about another manufacturer.  Give an educated opinion if you want.  Two years is not long enough to form an opinion.  I'm 70 and I've had mine for OVER 30 years.  Now THAT'S an educated opinion.

    If you like your saw, say so.  If you don't like another that you have no experience with, don't say anything.
     
    Sadly, I must know how in the !@#$ you could have run HUNDREDS of saws ?? Is this an accumilation of the SAME saw, variations of the SAME manufacturer ?? Amazes me to this day that the FIRST thing a f/d does is cut 4'x4' holes in a 2 story home roof for a skillet fire on the first floor LOL!!! Just wondering, and ECHO is the only brand to run IMO.
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    Both Homelite and the Dealer down the road from me are gone. And I remember Elwyn telling me all chainsaws will cut wood unless you put the chain on backwards!
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    Thanks for all opinions, just looked at a MS 251 Stihl and I'm thinking that maybe the one , but there was a 251 C and C BE , abbot sure on differences except price
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    I like my Husqvarnas. I have seven of them, ranging from 38 cc to 65 cc. They're easy to work on, light and well balanced. They've had many hours of use and still running strong.
     
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    IF you have a good dealer get a Dolmar. Now known as Makita in the US. Built like a Stihl run like a Husky.
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    Very very sad my image didn't show up.Unhappy
     
    Anyway, in the waaaaayy back machine, dad had an old Poulan, the ones that were the color of a filing cabinet, weighed 100 pounds, ran about 10 RPM....LOLLOL  I remember him calling that thing some words I heard for the first time.  I'm a bit surprised to hear you guys praising Poulans.....I thought they had gone far downhill talking with the guys at work, but maybe not.
     
    Then a buddy of his had a sharpening and saw work shop, set him up with a couple of McCullough saws.  Seemed.....average.  Then we got a  Deere, 80 EV, which was made by Echo.  Beast of a saw.  Would still be using it today, but the muffler is burned out and obsolete.  So it discharges right onto your hand and gets pretty warm in short order.
     
    I have 2 MS 290's.  One is 10 years old, the other is 3 years old.  The older one has always been a cold blooded SOB, at least 10 pulls when it's been sitting.  Dealer swears there's nothing wrong with it.  Newer one starts on fewer pulls, but pulls harder.  It's got ever so slightly a bit more power than the older one, and I'm guessing by the feel it's in the compression (new vs. new that is).  Both great saws that I use a LOT.  18" bar on the new one, 16" on the older one.  Like to have something just a bit more powerful and maybe a 20 inch bar.  Me likes power.
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    started with Homelights (dad's), and thru the years had a few more, they were mostly always hard to start (lots of pulls). bought a new Echo and have had them about ever since. bought a new Poulan and ran it for a day, traded it off the next day for another new Echo. can't count how many semi loads of firewood or trimming I've done with the Echos. I've run Stihl's, they seem to run a lot higher RPM's than the Echos, oh and I did try a Huqusvarna in this bunch, still have it, but the carb needs work to stay running.
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    Hey Tbone, I just gave my opinion like everyone else and apparently struck a nerve with Paul Bunyan.

    Well alrighty then.

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    I have used 6 saws in 50 years of cutting. Use to be Homelite but they have been thrown under the bus till there name was no worth saving. Echo saws have served me well but are not the most powerfull for size. But I don't hurry much anymore, and like how Echo starts compared to others.



    Now for Ted's beloved Huskis brother in law bought a small trimming saw. From a full time saw and small engine shop. They said it was the best,could of been if it would of started good. They fussed with a number of times,never got better. The other Husky was a big one with 40+ inches of bar. Was only 3 or 4 months old and the first time I used it the dang think seized up.It had cut the big stuff in 2 other big oaks. Same gas in 2 or 3 other saws,I did not mix it or fill it just holding it in the big stuff. They did rebuild it on warrenty and since the BIL is gone it is here,and we use it time to time. But always the back of my mind will this thing blow up again.
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    Hey Tbone, I just gave my opinion like everyone else and apparently struck a nerve with Paul Bunyan.
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