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    Posted: 29 Nov 2021 at 8:24pm
Beginning February 7, 2022, anyone applying for a Commercial Learners Permit (CLP) will be required to complete an Entry Level Driver Training (EDLT) course that includes classroom and behind the wheel training.

"Entry-level drivers must complete the applicable training, from a provider listed on the Training Provider Registry, prior to taking a relevant skills or knowledge test."



If you know someone interested in getting a CDL, they should get their CLP prior to February 7, 2022.

When the country is so short of CDL drivers, it seems (to me) that it's a poor time to make obtaining a CDL harder than ever.




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i agree...i'm thinking they are trying to weed out alot of people that shouldn't be driving mostly school buses and semi's. all the other stuff comes with it. several were talking about it at the elevator today...didn't make their day! one of the drivers there said he contacted our state DOT and they told him he would have to take the classes and test again. he's been driving semi's since the early '70s and has a clean record.  i let my CDL expire so i'm not gonna worry about it. 
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Are not 'Weeding' anyone out, are passing the buck.  Those leaving the schools are not going to be State Driving Test Required, that was done by the schools.  Are few new applicants except Foreign Nationals(Refugees?) entering these schools(Fed Subsidized) where that gives the States an Out as to allowance of Foreigners to take over said jobs.   Pretty sad looking at it.
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We live in a VERY rural area of northern NY State (60 miles to either Montreal or Ottawa).

Every school district in our area is very short of school bus drivers. A few districts had to go to online only for short periods, because of driver shortages. Many bus drivers are retired people that have obtained their CDL (with passenger endorsement) to help out with the shortage and to supplement their income. I believe this new requirement will be a major deterrent for people like that.

Every school district has some kind of "in-house" driver training. This has seemed to work well.

I don't believe the movement is political. (Some people on here tend to think everything is political.) I think it is well intentioned, but I question the timing. Making it harder to get a CDL right now, in the middle of a shortage of CMV drivers, may not be a great decision.
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Ok, i gott ask... just how do you get a CDL now ??
Just walk in, pay $50 ,and walk out  with one ??
Surely there's SOME kind of test ?? !!

hmm 2nd ?? Is this a federal thing ? If so, it means you can drive in any state to any other state ?? I'm thinking about how CA has it's own 'rules of the roads'....
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They were going to do this a couple of years ago but didn't get all of their ducks in a row and pushed it back until now.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

Ok, i gott ask... just how do you get a CDL now ??
Just walk in, pay $50 ,and walk out  with one ??
Surely there's SOME kind of test ?? !!

hmm 2nd ?? Is this a federal thing ? If so, it means you can drive in any state to any other state ?? I'm thinking about how CA has it's own 'rules of the roads'....

Getting a CDL is now very similar to getting a regular drivers license; you get a DMV CDL manual, study it and take a written test to get a CDL learners permit.  When you have the learners permit, you must have a CDL driver with you at all times. 

You, then, schedule a CDL road test, which has to be taken in the class of vehicle you are applying for; tractor or truck trailer for Class A, straight truck over 26,000 lbs. for a Class B, bus for a P (passenger endorsement). The CDL you obtain may have restrictions, based the vehicle you took the road test on (automatic transmission, no air brakes, truck-trailer combination, limited number of passengers based on the size bus).

If you pass, you must have a CDL physical for interstate driving.

When this regulation goes into effect, you will have to have the mandatory training.

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CDL is a federal license that is issued by the state you reside in. CDL regulations are the same for every state, however some states impose more stringent restrictions. The same is true for commercial motor vehicles (CMV).

As I said before, you must have a valid CDL physical for interstate operation. Intrastate (not crossing state lines) physical is governed by the state you are operating in.


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most drivers iv ever run into from a driving school. Ether broke the truck or crashed it. Because can’t drive.
It’s the same issue as most other jobs. Not enough kids growing up near that stuff learning how to function.
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I'm glad I don't havta' worry about that crap anymore. My CDL is still active yet, but when the time comes that it expires, (this coming new year) I'll be done wit' that! The thing here in New Joisey though, you havta' go to the DMV and have it removed (for a fee of coarse) and have your driver's license changed. If you let the CDL expire, so does your driver's license! I know a feller that let his CDL expire. and he found out later down the road that he didn't have a valid driver's license!  Yikes!....Shocked
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I've had a "Truck" License since long before there ever was such thing as a CDL. Started riding with my Dad when I had to stand up to look out the right window of an R220 International. By the time I was 12 or so I'd ride along with a trucker that hauled to the local Southern State stores with a Ford 1000 SA and mostly 32' trailers. That fellow would let me back up to the docks and told me take as long as you need but NEVER hit anything. So I learned the old fashioned way, by actually doing it. When I got a Class A the local DMV was at the city firehouse. The officer that did my test saw me maneuver thru the car packed parking lot. After doing the written test and Pre-Trip test. I was directed to drive out on the streets and just made a large loop. When getting back to the firehouse I was told I had passed the test before we even left the lot after he saw me driving thru the parking lot. That he was required to do a road test.  
 Fast forward 40 years or so, While driving for a company, I was always the trainer for new hires and couple stand out in my memory. 
  One was a fellow that wanted to be a big time Peterbuilt driver. He was a hotshot that would not listen and thought , as he'd been thru a school he knew it all. After one trip allowing him to drive back from Pittsburg on the turnpike, he scared me to the point that I told him "pull over and park it". When getting back to the terminal I showed the dashcam footage to the head dispatcher and voiced my opinion not to allow that fellow to go any further toward becoming a driver with the company. He would wreck a truck. Then he was assigned to another older driver and He backed up my opinion. So the company went against 2 experienced drivers and turned him loose in a truck. He banged up the front fenders on 3 different trucks, then later had a loaded cement tanker come unhooked crossing a set or RR tracks. After seeing that happen, I just went to management and said" I told you so".
  The second was a young lady that had been a heavy-haul driver as a Marine. She had never unloaded a pneumatic trailer or driven a manual shift transmission in her life. She listened well and in two days she could unload the trailer as well as I could. It took her a bit to get used to a clutch and in about 3 weeks she was driving an 18 speed on her own. She is still a close friend years later.
   Schooling and testing should be difficult for driving ANYTHING. Nowadays you don't even have to parallel park when getting a car license. I've had to do that with a TT many times when making deliveries and amaze most that see me do it in a single try. There is no good reason for going lax on the regulations for those wanting a CDL. I've seen too many bad things that have happened on the roads to think otherwise. One case in point was a FED-EX steering wheel holder that entered the interstate after just leaving a terminal and lost the rear trailer a ways in front of me. When I saw the news that night, I found out that he had gotten about 30 miles down the road before the state police got him stopped. He didn't have any idea he'd lost a trailer and claimed it wasn't his fault as the yard guys hook them together.  As I've always told all the trainees I've had, "You are the driver and are last link of responsibility for ANYTHING that happens and should be able to avoid any problem". Car drivers today are bad enough, we don't need CDL drivers that had it easy getting a CDL.
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Funny thing about all this is a half blind, half deaf old fart that has never driven anything more than a Prius can go buy a huge 4 door 1 ton diesel and a 40 foot travel trailer, drive it off the lot and become a menace on the road with just a regular license, but a guy trying to earn a living has to jump through the hoops. Probably the only thing that they teach at the driving schools is how to pee in a bottle without stoping and then throw it out along the highwaySmile
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Neighbor who has been driving semi for over 10 years around the farm went and got his CDL this fall. He studied and past the written test and studied and past the pretrip. The things that got him on his first driving test were coasting to far before a stop, not stopping before the stop sign, grabbing a gear while making a turn, little things like that they can flunk you on. When he took his second test he had a different person and he did better on those little things. The guy giving him the test said he was a good driver just had developed a few bad habits When I learned to drive semi I would ride along to Milwaukee with this neighbors dad hauling corn and he would let me drive empty home. Coming out of Milwaukee on interstate 94 was like getting thrown out of a boat to learn to swim. So I haven't read through the law are farmers still exempt  hauling their own stuff.

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Since CDL is more or less the same all over the USA I would think medical card would be needed in state as well as out of state.


One of the wino knows everything guys that moved in to grow grapes for his wine we are over run with got the 4 door 1 ton and showed his wisdom on the test.  Took his weeks old truck and gooseneck to get his license , tester asked him to do a pre trip inspection. The guys spouted off new truck and new tailor no need to look at anything. He failed end of driving test. Wined all the way home to the guy he had got to go as the experienced driver.


As we are discussing this the SIL is in training to be a licensed trainer by the contractor he has worked for for years. The contractor is preparing to keep having drivers available. 
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Originally posted by DanWi DanWi wrote:

Neighbor who has been driving semi for over 10 years around the farm went and got his CDL this fall. He studied and past the written test and studied and past the pretrip. The things that got him on his first driving test were coasting to far before a stop, not stopping before the stop sign, grabbing a gear while making a turn, little things like that they can flunk you on. When he took his second test he had a different person and he did better on those little things. The guy giving him the test said he was a good driver just had developed a few bad habits When I learned to drive semi I would ride along to Milwaukee with this neighbors dad hauling corn and he would let me drive empty home. Coming out of Milwaukee on interstate 94 was like getting thrown out of a boat to learn to swim. So I haven't read through the law are farmers still exempt  hauling their own stuff.
For a straight truck, farmers don't need anything here in MI for their own stuff.  For tractor/trailer/air brakes, there's a "farmer" version of the license you have to have, quite a bit cheaper, and do not get caught doing anything for hire.
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Originally posted by Ray54 Ray54 wrote:

Since CDL is more or less the same all over the USA I would think medical card would be needed in state as well as out of state.


One of the wino knows everything guys that moved in to grow grapes for his wine we are over run with got the 4 door 1 ton and showed his wisdom on the test.  Took his weeks old truck and gooseneck to get his license , tester asked him to do a pre trip inspection. The guys spouted off new truck and new tailor no need to look at anything. He failed end of driving test. Wined all the way home to the guy he had got to go as the experienced driver.

 Ray, they are know here as grapists and winers, pretty much covers it.LOL
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Its my understanding - and my companies- Medical cards are manditory in state or out of state- anyone getting a new CDL should go to a little truck driving school, but you do have to pass a state DMV 50 question test--- Im out of town alot and went to one- gave all the answers, showed exactly what they want to see- the driving parts on you- but heck wasnt no big deal - single axle tractor w/ 30 ft trailer- class A with air- 150 bucks, it was fun listening to his stories of others !!! 
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I work in a warehouse and 80 percent of the truck drivers I deal with can barely speak English if at all.   Sad.
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it is and remains a REQUIREMENT, to be able to Read Speak and Understand English to get a US CDL.  Saw a MoSHP officer take a No Habla persons license quote that very requirement and began to cut it up in front of him where he magically learned English.


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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

it is and remains a REQUIREMENT, to be able to Read Speak and Understand English to get a US CDL.  Saw a MoSHP officer take a No Habla persons license quote that very requirement and began to cut it up in front of him where he magically learned English.


No different then the day after pay day. They are in the payroll office explaining there case in fluent English.
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Its my understanding - and my companies- Medical cards are manditory in state or out of state ....

When my physical was running out during COVID, and it was nearly impossible to get a doctor's appointment, I got a notice from DMV that my CDL license would be "downgraded to intrastate only" if I did not provide proof of a CDL physical before the expiration date of my previous physical (two years before).

To keep my interstate privilege, I had to have a physical by a certified CDL provider and submit written proof to DMV.

I retired from NYSDOT and several of their drivers do not have a CDL physical and can operate intrastate only. 
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The cost of our Proficiency Based Class A Training Program with automated transmissions is $5,495.00. The cost for the Class A Program in manual transmissions is $6495.00.
Local driving school costs to get your CDL here in MN 
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What gets me is how most states will let anyone drive any HDT with no license or training if they use it to pull a camper.  One forum I'm on has a lot of them, buy a truck, buy a big camper to pull and take off.  Very few states requires them to have a non-commercial CDL for campers, some pretty heavy, 48-50 foot long.  When I see one, I do my best to put a lot of distance between them and I.
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So long as has a RV Plate they are good to go same here, HOWEVER, they place one conventional load trailer on it and the tickets Do Fly!!!  Know that as one retiree did that with a Full Ton Dodge, RV or AUTO Plates not weight tags, pulled a small flatbed to local Lumber Yard and got stopped on way home, cost him PLENTY in fines.  States such in the License documents, that he did NOT read.
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This came up yesterday at work. One of our compliance guys comes in, and starts talking, he is pretty good at training. He told us that if you have a tanker/hazmat endorsement you have to have taking a tanker road test within the last three years.

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I was told of licensing changes as that, I will keep a Class A but dropping everything else.  Let the suffering begin as Drivers disappear Faster.  Nearly NONE to haul the Crap now, leave it to the Current Admin to determine where that will go.
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