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Carb Problem, Maybe?

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    Posted: 04 Sep 2012 at 7:45pm

Hope some experts can help me. My WD will start fine but shortly start to loose power. If I choke it a little, it will run fine for a short time untill I have to choke it more. Finally, after it is completely choked, it will run again ok untill it finally dies. Drained the tank and it ran out fine. Disassembled carb and blew it out. Still same problem. Could it be a weak coil requiring more gas to fire? The carb is a Marvel Shebler TSX 422.

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If you have to choke it to keep it running you are not getting enough gas in.

Something is clogged or not enough vacuum to draw gas in.
How much compression does it have?
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Not sure about compression. Seemed to have good power before this problem and doesn't burn any oil. Not many hours since it had a valve job. I may remove the tank and check that. It still has the original fuel line also. Could try replacing that too. Trial and error, I guess.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary in da UP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 2012 at 9:39pm
Your fuel tank cap could be the problem if it isn't venting . Run it til it quits again, then loosen your gas cap and listen for the sound of air rushing into the tank, could be as simple as replacing the cap.   
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Thanks. I'll try it. If I try enough possible solutions, I might get lucky. If I solve it, I'll let everyone know.
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Odds are high its the carburetor inlet adapter screen. I've seen them plug up with varnish to the point they could only let a tractor idle one minute every 15 minutes and wouldn't pass 60 psi air (all the pressure that was in my portable tank that day).

Odds are highly probably that the fuel line itself is filled with varnish. I've seen that too.

Next lower in odds are the sediment bowl screen, and then the screen in the tank inlet, but you say that flows well.

I think there is a drain plug on the float bowl of the carburetor. You need to fix things until that flows a good stream for ten minutes, no slowing or dribbling.

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Check for vaccum leaks around the throttle linkage going into the Carb and also check around the intake manifold and all seals involved.
Best way to do this is with it running spray the Carb and intake with Carb cleaner and see if she cuts out. You can pinpoint if you have a crack or a leak very quickly doing this.
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I've seen machines as stated above that will only run for a minute and shut down, simply because the gas cap vent was plugged or the hole in the bottom of the tank is full of rust. bdallman, has a great idea for checking for leaks (I used either & listened for the engine to speed up, his way is probly safer) . also there was a post on using a dollar bill to check the valves (even though they were just redone). might want to give that a try, simple test and don't cost anything. 
 
next time it quits, do what was mentioned above with the gas cap. if that don't do it, hurry up and pull the drain plug on the bottom of the carb to see if there is gas flowing make sure it has a good stream and lasts for a bit, you could also get a piece of clear hose and run it to the carb, when it quits, check the hose for gas. that'll thell ya if it's a fuel problem. if that don't work, wait till it does it again and check the spark.


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If its not the vent cap, I would think its a fuel delivery problem or trash in the carb. Usually, if you pull the choke closed a tad, and it continues to run alright for a while, its not getting enough fuel to run. Pulling the choke on a wittle bit fattens the fuel mix allowing the engine to continue to run okay till it needs more fuel. Go through the whole fuel system from tank to carb. You'll find the problem if its not a venting problem like Gary mentioned... HTH
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+1 for either vent cap, or fuel delivery.  As Gerald says, that inlet screen... it's IN the fitting where the fuel line enters the carbeurator, and they're frequently missed when doing a basic carb-job, because they're between the fitting and the carb body... people rarely realize they're there.  If it doesn't respond to pulling off the cap of the fuel tank, pull out that screen for a look, I'll bet you'll find it's full of Gerald's Patented Tractor Tank Gak...

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Thanks for all the good advice. I knew you guys would come through.
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This engine doesn't run long enough for it to be the gas tank cap unless the tank is filled really full. Go for that screen or the varnish in the fuel line to the carburetor.

That is not to say that there is ONLY one problem. There could be varnish in that hidden screen, junk in the float valve, float stuck holding the float needle nearly closed, varnish mostly closing off the fuel line, a plugged sediment bowl screen, and a plugged tank inlet screen each adding their bit or lot of impediment to fuel flow.

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Lots of great advise to follow. Might be a good idea to make a list of things to check starting at the gas cap and following the fuel. I've run into a lot of worn throttle shafts leaking air on small motors. might be all the corn there sticking in gas these days. 
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