![]() |
This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity. | |||||
The Forum | Parts and Services | Unofficial Allis Store | Tractor Shows | Serial Numbers | History |
Canadian Shotgun Load ?? |
Post Reply ![]() |
Author | ||
FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 8:11pm |
|
A friend of mine acquired 8 boxes of 10 gauge shells that have a "letter" instead of a # for shot size
![]() |
||
![]() |
||
Sponsored Links | ||
![]() |
||
klinemar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Points: 8051 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
I would say that is steel shot for waterfowl. Starts at BB which is Air Rifle shot or .177 diameter, then to T and F which is .20 and .22 caliber. Shotgun shot size is universal unless you include the old black powder 4 bore and 8 gauge.4 bore shot a solid slug for killing elephants. 8 gauge shot standard lead shot sizes.https://images.app.goo.gl/PzrnHVM7T4BFJSJS9. Link to shot sizes.
|
||
![]() |
||
TDF ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 22 Oct 2015 Location: Seward, NE Points: 63 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Why not pry the crimp open on one of them and see how big the shot is for yourself? Wouldnt take but 15 seconds or so.
TDF |
||
![]() |
||
steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87187 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
|
||
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
|
||
![]() |
||
DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6046 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
To add to the confusion... the 'gauge' identification, is determined by making a round lead ball that will 'fit' snugly in the barrel's bore, then count how many of those round lead balls equate to 1 pound of lead. A 10-gauge barrel will yield a lead ball 1/10th of a pound. A 12-gauge barrel will yield a lead ball 1/12th of a pound. A 16-gauge " ... 1/16th of a lb and so on... until you get to a 410... Then it's a 0.410" diameter. But a 4-gauge ("Punt gun") would fire a quarter-pound round ball... and the recoil would kill anyone silly enough to shoulder it)... Is that clear as mud? The reason why they call it that... is because one standard of measure for cannon artillery weapons of both direct and indirect fire, is the projectile's weight. A 4-pounder, for example, would accept a 4-pound round projectile, while a 20-pounder would accept a projectile of diameter large enough to be 20lbs in measured weight. Our friends across the pond continued identifying their weaponry by 'pounders' well into WW2, even though the barrels were firing armor-piercing and high-explosive RIFLED projectiles, rather than round balls... But the shot size, as you see in the chart above, has inconsistencies, and there's probably some deep-rooted stories in it... probably detailed in irrelevance, but historically maintained, just like having fractional, number, and letter drills in your drill index....
Edited by DaveKamp - 03 Jun 2022 at 1:16am |
||
Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
|
||
![]() |
||
DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33693 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Eye opener work for me was in 1970s while first back from mil service, part timer at Olin Corp or what everyone will know as Winchester Western Cartridge.
Was living at Grandmother’s while training and operating a Priming machine for 45acp. Old guys spoke of being leaded in the shot tower where the use of safety equipment was sorely lacking by a few. Lead shot is not ‘Cast’ but molten lead pumped to a tower platform and poured thru a set of screens. As the lead then forms droplets falling from that screen the fall to the sloped floor of that tower and a water bath. On nearly all old lead shot pieces will find that one small flatspot where hit that sloped floor. Steel and later specialized alloy waterfowl shot is produced similar but no tower as is sprayed thru a screen into a water bath. Simpler and cleaner. |
||
![]() |
||
mdm1 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Onalaska, WI Points: 2677 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Shot sizes for lead and steel are the same. Steel comes in all the same physical sizes as lead. But the weight of steel per pellet is lighter than lead of the same size.
|
||
Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
|
||
![]() |
||
Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5058 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Before birdshot was in plastic cups, I bought a 9 shot .22 revolver and had the rifling bored out, to shoot .22 bird shot in barns at Sparrows & Starlings, they were considered pests at that time.
I call it my Sparrow Special. Wish I knew someone that could use it today. Dusty
|
||
917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
|
||
![]() |
||
shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
what are the letters?
|
||
![]() |
||
FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
It's not my property to do so and this guy is a "waste not/want not" type of guy
![]() |
||
![]() |
||
FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
3 1/2" 10 gauge steel shot letter F
|
||
![]() |
||
steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87187 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
"F" is the metric version of TTT --- bird shot.
|
||
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
|
||
![]() |
||
DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6046 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
10ga 3.5" and TTT steel makes it a fair waterfowl hunting load.
|
||
Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
|
||
![]() |
||
IBWD MIke ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 4035 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Dave, I'd narrow that down to geese, F's would be really hard on ducks! These would work on coyotes/fox and other varmints too. When I was younger and goose hunting a fair bit, T's were my preferred shot size. Fired from a BPS 10 gauge. BBB's were better in the 3" 12 gauge.
|
||
![]() |
||
DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33693 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Have not fired a load from a Browning Ten in a LONG time. Sold my Ithaca Mag 10 back in the 80s, had a issue with the Recoil Block fracturing(Locked Bolt back) and requiring replacement, parts were Hand Made at a local Machine shop as Ithaca was long gone.
|
||
![]() |
||
klinemar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Points: 8051 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
I hunted geese years ago when Steel Shot was first required and tried every size with best results in BB. More pellets to the load than T's or F's. F shot is close to number 4 buckshot as F's are .22 diameter and number 4 buck is .24 diameter. We used number 4 buckshot on geese in 10 gauge for a few years with good results. I had a 10 gauge double barrel and got rid of it as everyone told me I would shoot the choke out using Steel shot.I wouldn't want to carry the gun around now! In my younger days I could.
|
||
![]() |
||
DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53864 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
I could start another pun-fest, here but we need to talk about double barrelled shotguns.
I won't, though, cause Mr Blobby is already two triggered!
![]() |
||
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
||
![]() |
||
FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Yet again, YOU post NO valuable info on a topic, I get a "time-out", and other TTPP's offer VERY good information ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Where was a double barreled shot gun EVER mentioned ?????
Edited by FREEDGUY - 04 Jun 2022 at 6:09pm |
||
![]() |
||
DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53864 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
Well don't go off half cocked, Mr Blobby!
![]() ![]() Edited by DiyDave - 04 Jun 2022 at 6:22pm |
||
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
||
![]() |
||
AllisFreak MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1584 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
But, but, where's the pun fest??
|
||
'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
|
||
![]() |
||
truckerfarmer ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2013 Location: Watertown, SD Points: 3274 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
In the post right above yours. |
||
Looking at the past to see the future.
'53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
||
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
|
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |