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FREEDGUY 
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Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 8:11pm |
A friend of mine acquired 8 boxes of 10 gauge shells that have a "letter" instead of a # for shot size  ?? Is this common and if so, what's the translation ?? Thanks
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Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 8:26pm |
I would say that is steel shot for waterfowl. Starts at BB which is Air Rifle shot or .177 diameter, then to T and F which is .20 and .22 caliber. Shotgun shot size is universal unless you include the old black powder 4 bore and 8 gauge.4 bore shot a solid slug for killing elephants. 8 gauge shot standard lead shot sizes. https://images.app.goo.gl/PzrnHVM7T4BFJSJS9. Link to shot sizes.
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Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 8:28pm |
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Why not pry the crimp open on one of them and see how big the shot is for yourself? Wouldnt take but 15 seconds or so.
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Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 9:23pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 1:14am |
To add to the confusion... the 'gauge' identification, is determined by making a round lead ball that will 'fit' snugly in the barrel's bore, then count how many of those round lead balls equate to 1 pound of lead.
A 10-gauge barrel will yield a lead ball 1/10th of a pound. A 12-gauge barrel will yield a lead ball 1/12th of a pound. A 16-gauge " ... 1/16th of a lb and so on... until you get to a 410... Then it's a 0.410" diameter.
But a 4-gauge ("Punt gun") would fire a quarter-pound round ball... and the recoil would kill anyone silly enough to shoulder it)...
Is that clear as mud?
The reason why they call it that... is because one standard of measure for cannon artillery weapons of both direct and indirect fire, is the projectile's weight. A 4-pounder, for example, would accept a 4-pound round projectile, while a 20-pounder would accept a projectile of diameter large enough to be 20lbs in measured weight. Our friends across the pond continued identifying their weaponry by 'pounders' well into WW2, even though the barrels were firing armor-piercing and high-explosive RIFLED projectiles, rather than round balls...
But the shot size, as you see in the chart above, has inconsistencies, and there's probably some deep-rooted stories in it... probably detailed in irrelevance, but historically maintained, just like having fractional, number, and letter drills in your drill index....
Edited by DaveKamp - 03 Jun 2022 at 1:16am
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 4:18am |
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Eye opener work for me was in 1970s while first back from mil service, part timer at Olin Corp or what everyone will know as Winchester Western Cartridge.
Was living at Grandmother’s while training and operating a Priming machine for 45acp. Old guys spoke of being leaded in the shot tower where the use of safety equipment was sorely lacking by a few. Lead shot is not ‘Cast’ but molten lead pumped to a tower platform and poured thru a set of screens. As the lead then forms droplets falling from that screen the fall to the sloped floor of that tower and a water bath. On nearly all old lead shot pieces will find that one small flatspot where hit that sloped floor.
Steel and later specialized alloy waterfowl shot is produced similar but no tower as is sprayed thru a screen into a water bath. Simpler and cleaner.
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 7:13am |
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Shot sizes for lead and steel are the same. Steel comes in all the same physical sizes as lead. But the weight of steel per pellet is lighter than lead of the same size.
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 7:19am |
Before birdshot was in plastic cups, I bought a 9 shot .22 revolver and had the rifling bored out, to shoot .22 bird shot in barns at Sparrows & Starlings, they were considered pests at that time. I call it my Sparrow Special. Wish I knew someone that could use it today.
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 2:19pm |
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what are the letters?
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 6:15pm |
 TDF wrote:
Why not pry the crimp open on one of them and see how big the shot is for yourself? Wouldnt take but 15 seconds or so.
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It's not my property to do so and this guy is a "waste not/want not" type of guy 
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 6:21pm |
shameless dude wrote:
what are the letters? |
3 1/2" 10 gauge steel shot letter F
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 8:51pm |
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"F" is the metric version of TTT --- bird shot.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 1:40am |
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10ga 3.5" and TTT steel makes it a fair waterfowl hunting load.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 7:54am |
Dave, I'd narrow that down to geese, F's would be really hard on ducks! These would work on coyotes/fox and other varmints too.
When I was younger and goose hunting a fair bit, T's were my preferred shot size. Fired from a BPS 10 gauge. BBB's were better in the 3" 12 gauge.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 8:31am |
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Have not fired a load from a Browning Ten in a LONG time. Sold my Ithaca Mag 10 back in the 80s, had a issue with the Recoil Block fracturing(Locked Bolt back) and requiring replacement, parts were Hand Made at a local Machine shop as Ithaca was long gone.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 11:50am |
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I hunted geese years ago when Steel Shot was first required and tried every size with best results in BB. More pellets to the load than T's or F's. F shot is close to number 4 buckshot as F's are .22 diameter and number 4 buck is .24 diameter. We used number 4 buckshot on geese in 10 gauge for a few years with good results. I had a 10 gauge double barrel and got rid of it as everyone told me I would shoot the choke out using Steel shot.I wouldn't want to carry the gun around now! In my younger days I could.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 5:35pm |
I could start another pun-fest, here but we need to talk about double barrelled shotguns.
I won't, though, cause Mr Blobby is already two triggered!  |
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 6:08pm |
DiyDave wrote:
I could start another pun-fest, here but we need to talk about double barrelled shotguns.
I won't, though, cause Mr Blobby is already two triggered! |
Yet again, YOU post NO valuable info on a topic, I get a "time-out", and other TTPP's offer VERY good information  !! Have a good rest of your weekend Mr. "full-of himself" !! Where was a double barreled shot gun EVER mentioned ?????
Edited by FREEDGUY - 04 Jun 2022 at 6:09pm
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 6:20pm |
Well don't go off half cocked, Mr Blobby! 
Edited by DiyDave - 04 Jun 2022 at 6:22pm
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 10:02pm |
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But, but, where's the pun fest??
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 10:06pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
DiyDave wrote:
I could start another pun-fest, here but we need to talk about double barrelled shotguns.
I won't, though, cause Mr Blobby is already two triggered! |
Yet again, YOU post NO valuable info on a topic, I get a "time-out", and other TTPP's offer VERY good information !! Have a good rest of your weekend Mr. "full-of himself" !! Where was a double barreled shot gun EVER mentioned ?????
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In the post right above yours.
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