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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 2:48pm |
Hey everyone, thanks for taking the time to read this.
We recently bought a '37 WC(32777) tricycle and have been using an old farmall single bottom plow, and want to upgrade to a 3.
The way we make the farmall work, since we don't have the proper undercarriage frame to pull a plow, is I've bolted a 2-1/4"x5/8" sidewall square tube steel arm to the frame just south of the pumpkin at about a 30 degree angle going up, then bolted an electric winch to that, and use it both to raise and lower the plow into the soil, and keep it at height so I don't end up with a land anchor instead of a plow. Works great pulling it with a modified reese hitch.
Problem is, I'm trying to get about 3 acres plowed in the spring, and this lil' single farmall is taking forever.
So, I'm looking at buying this guy:
I know I can rig a means of pulling it, and looks like it has a mechanical arm to raise and lower the plows while the trailer stays on ground. It's an old IHC.
My main question is, do I have enough HP to drag this through the soil at 9" or 12"?
Any opinions would be helpful, thanks!
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festus51
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:02pm |
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I have always considered a WC a two bottom plow tractor. A lot depends on your soil type.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:03pm |
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Pretty sure they were considered a2 bottom tractor. That would be in 2nd gear. Doubt you can pull 3 unscoured bottoms in 1st without a pile of weight on each wheel. Soil types make all the difference.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:06pm |
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Really depends on soil type, where I live, no it would not pull it that deep, my WD45 won’t pull 3 bottoms here even with the help of traction booster, which your WC doesn’t have.
Having said that, there are soil types that you might pull 3 bottoms, just not here where I live. If one bottom could be removed, you could probably pull 2 bottoms.
I know there are people that will tell you yes your tractor will pull 3 bottoms and I’ve seen you tube videos as proof, I’m just saying depends on the ground type and my ground it would be a no. We do own a 1939 WC and it won’t pull 3 bottom pull type plow here.
Maybe speak to someone in your area with a similar set up.
Best of luck, let us know what you do and if it pulls it. Will depend a lot on the soil and weights.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:20pm |
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3 acres in the spring...already do it with a different rig...hm, sounds suspiciously like a garden? That you’ve plowed before, perhaps yearly for a while?
If so, that’s a whole lot different than breaking sod, climbing hills, etc.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:34pm |
Sorry, thought my user name would clue ya'll in to what and where we are. We're plowing city lots, log demolished, backfilled with unclean fill. So, for the country? No, not a farm, definitely a garden. But for the city? We can feed a couple dozen families that need help.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:39pm |
If you live in SE MI I would say no, since most everywhere is red clay. You don't use the levers to raise it out of the ground, those are to adjust depth. That is either a hydraulic lift or trip bottom. I would recommend you pass on that one.You need to be looking for a 2 bottom trip bottom trailer plow. When you find one you need to check to make sure the trip works. That would be a mechanism on the left wheel. You run a rope from the lever there to the seat or fender.
You can PM me if you would like some help since it appears you live in SE MI.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:40pm |
Pretty sure we won't be able to pull the 3. All the land is city lots long demolished (going on 20 to 30 years), and the backfill wasn't clean. Good news is soil is pretty good regardless as there's 30 years of grasses and leaves turned to topsoil, so where we have grown, things go well. Squash, sugarpie pumpkins, tomatoes, beans, broccoli, garlic and onions, hell name it, it grows well.
But, we do have to pull a few ton of brick, concrete, iron and car parts out of every half acre. And that makes the single plow work all the harder.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 7:50pm |
I would go with the answer NO, your WC most likely will not pull a 3 bottom trailer plow. Now in Ideal conditions and a properly adjusted in very good condition, Maybe. Most used plows you find are not only rusted up, which make them pull hard, they are also worn out which also adds to the draft. However you think plowing only 3 acres is a big task. Years ago our family plowed over 400 acres for corn with only an Allis B with a 2 way set of mounted plows and a IH SuH pulling a 2 bottom trailer plow
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Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 9:52pm |
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2-14” in most soils for WC. Even if you had the power, you don’t have the traction for much else.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 8:50am |
Welcome! Detroit, I would recommend staying with the 1 bottom plow after reading your posts. First the tractor may never have the power to pull 3 bottoms, as mentioned it was designed as a 2 bottom. But back to your project. - Garden to feed needy folks! Well I praise you for doing this in a town environment on reclaimed land! - Second if your finding things buried in the soil all the more reason to plow slow and get that stuff out of there as you go. - Also with the three acres. well we did all our farm plowing for years with a 2 or three bottom plow and that might have been 40 or more acres. - Just get on and ride it a little longer!:) Bigger is not always better. And we do need some pictures too! Here is a 3 bottom (14 inch) plows on my freshened WD45: Regards, Chris
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 9:16am |
I wish you were closer to me. I would come and plow with my antique G with it's 1 bottom 12" plow. Another though, A lot of guys with antique tractors like to get together and have a "plow day". Maybe a couple would come and plow there.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 9:30am |
 Dusty MI wrote:
I wish you were closer to me. I would come and plow with my antique G with it's 1 bottom 12" plow. Another though, A lot of guys with antique tractors like to get together and have a "plow day". Maybe a couple would come and plow there.
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That was my thought Dusty. Too far to trailer the 45 or I'd plow it!
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 9:32am |
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Hey guys, I have that 2 bottom pin hitch plow. Will it connect to where the WC draw bar connects?
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 10:33am |
Interesting project, and the more people whom are aware of how food is grown the better. I was thinking how would I farm a junk yard. When you do pull up the brick, concrete, rebar, auto-parts or whatever, do you stack it or will the city haul it away (for free?)? Will you be branching out occasionally to new lots? This means you will always have junk to deal with. Currently the 3 acres, is that all one plot? What do you imagine the size of each location will be? What do you do for irrigation water?
Use the single bottom plow for first plowing of new plots, then next year a two bottom after it gets cleaned up. What do you guys think of a sub-soiler first?
Survey the new plots while winter barren looking for surface wire and junk. It will be a bad day when a tire gets ruined.
Is there a local tractor club? Can the local highway department help out? Maybe to haul away the junk.
HS kids seem to have to do community service these days (looks good on resume). The Scouts also.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 3:27pm |
Sugarmaker wrote:
Welcome! Detroit,I would recommend staying with the 1 bottom plow after reading your posts. First the tractor may never have the power to pull 3 bottoms, as mentioned it was designed as a 2 bottom. But back to your project. - Garden to feed needy folks! Well I praise you for doing this in a town environment on reclaimed land! - Second if your finding things buried in the soil all the more reason to plow slow and get that stuff out of there as you go. - Also with the three acres. well we did all our farm plowing for years with a 2 or three bottom plow and that might have been 40 or more acres. - Just get on and ride it a little longer!:) Bigger is not always better. And we do need some pictures too! Here is a 3 bottom (14 inch) plows on my freshened WD45: Regards, Chris |
Thanks for all that!
So, the 3 acres aren't contiguous, only about 3/4 acre is on one plot, and that's what's directly behind us on the neighboring/attached lots. The rest is spread out over several more lots, some conjoined, some sole, where the sole sizes are an average of 30'x104' or 45'or104'.
Have half of a 45'x104' planted with garlic, the remainder will be various onions in the spring. It's kitty corner across the street will be squash, the rest will be verything else as we go, with a solid 1/2 acre for a corn/bean/squash combo.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 4:02pm |
So, picking this up for $75 tomorrow
Started out life as a 3, but as you can see it only has 2. And the $75 price makes it a no-brainer to swap the plow over a location, and restore the whole thing for operation.
One rim is totally shot, plan on getting a matching rim and cutting out the center meat and reweld the steel spokes back to the rim, then some decent used tires on both sides. There's obviously a few bent parts and pieces that will require straightening and amendment, not to mention cleaning, greasing and oiling everything else.
To address the debris issue, we keep all the field stone and collect the other debris and take it to a city dump for $20 a ton per trip.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 4:14pm |
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Rule of thumb a two bottom x 14" will plow 1 acre per hr. So I like others said would stay with the one bottom especially with buried stuff to contend with.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 4:16pm |
Detroit, Congrats on the new plow! Keep us posted. Neat project you have going! Regards, Chris
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