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erober02 
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 Topic: CA, rebuilt, starter turning slow
Posted: 14 Dec 2019 at 12:41pm |
hello All, First time post, so, bear with me. I am working on a 51, CA wiring. This a 6v, positive ground system. Using the parts manual schematic with a new harness. I can not get the starter to turn fast enough to even come close to starting it. The battery is good. Load tested and holding at 6.9 volts. Did I miss something? is my starter bad? Any input would be appreciated. thanks.
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Larry in NC
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Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 1:03pm |
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You need to post this question in Farm Equipment. This section is for Forum use help. I suspect your problem is the battery cables. 6v systems require a very good ground. You need a heavy ground cable, originally that tractor had a wire mess ground cable. All of the connections need to be tight and clean.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 11:46am |
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Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 12:02pm |
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The engine doesn't need to turn over fast to start. If it is tuned up properly, it should fire after the second or third compression stroke.
If you starter is rebuilt and won't roll it over good, start fixing battery cables and connections. The starter grounds with the set screw that holds it, and the contact of the starter in the casting hole. Clean that, along with both ends of the battery cables, or replace the cables with the proper size for 6 volt systems.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 12:21pm |
erober2, Welcome! We might need some additional information. CTucker is right they dont turn fast. Have you have the tractor started before? Have you done work to it? (other than electrical?) Do you have a hand crank for it too? Well your starter could be bad, worn, dirty, .... I have seen it all. But if your battery is good and the grounds are good, it should spin over good. Maybe take the plugs out and see how it spins the engine over. The 6 volt systems will work very well if they are "tuned" up in good shape. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 12:48pm |
Could be the 'push to start' 'starter' switch. Bypass that with a jumper cable and compare spin rpm. If faster, the switch needs to be rebuilt/filed/replaced. I 'cheated' on my 51.. added a real Ford type solenoid and 12 volt battery. Always started 1-2 seconds...
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Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 4:25pm |
I am confused. Was the engine rebuilt? And now the starter won't turn it? In that case you have a major assembly problem, excess friction. Be glad it didn't start or it could have self destructed.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 12:23am |
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6v works, but because it uses half the voltage as a 12v system, it takes twice the amps to do the same job. If you put new cables on from a parts store, most likely they are 04 or 06 gauge which is not nearly heavy enough. You can find out if cables are your problem by doing a voltage drop test. If you read more than .5v on a voltage drop test, you need to either clean the connections or bigger cables. 02 gauge is the bare minimum, but 00 is better.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 6:20am |
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BJ brings up perhaps the 'key' issue. You MUST have big, fat, clean battery connections ! Something like arc welder cables, preferably 'swaged and molded' NOT clamp on ends.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 8:46am |
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My B is on 6 volts they are right big cables and good starter and it will turn over good.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 9:24am |
erober02, How is it going? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 9:38am |
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I'm sure this dumb but is a 2/0 cable the same as a 00? Maybe try running a cable from the battery + to the bolt that holds the starter in place since that is where the starter grounds to the tractor. 6v turns really slow compaired to 12v but it sounds like the starter doesn't spin fast enough to engage the ring gear.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 9:42am |
A few things to do first:
Fully charge the 6V Battery (slow charge) then pull a draw test to make sure the Battery is in good shape to do the job.
1 gauge or heavier Battery cables for 6V. In the case of 6V, bigger is better. (2/0 etc)
Make sure the mechanical Starter switch is in good shape. You can get a king size voltage drop at the switch, losing current to the Starter motor.
Grounds, grounds, grounds. Make sure the Pos ground cable is clean and free of rust and corrosion.
Make sure the engine rolls over easily to make sure there isn't a problem inside the engine that's making the Starter drag.
If everything checks out, the Starter motor may need a rebuild. We offer rebuilding services if interested.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 11:19am |
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Ground, ground, is something is misunderstood for many. The locking stud is the ground from the tractor frame to the starter. The slip fit into the hole in the torque tube bell is like a battery cable that is not tight.
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