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steve(ill)
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Posted: 20 Jul 2025 at 3:23pm |
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when you choke it, it will REV UP right ? ... Not something like a timing issue way advanced at high RPM ? .... Sure it is CARB related ?
What if the Intake manifold or gasket had a leak and was sucking air ? ..... Restricting the air ( choke) makes the engine SUCK harder and more monifold vacuum ? Les thought your vacuum was on the low side ?
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Posted: 20 Jul 2025 at 3:45pm |
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Replaced the main idle jet in the tsx. Not significantly different running. It was really difficult to get out. The easy outs are too short for brass. Got most out then retapped the hole. Not going to try the main jet. Too hard to get to and these easy outs won't reach. Misses are back but runs all rpms fineish. So, probably going to send the tsx out for professional rebuild. I've replaced everything in it but the main jet. I also tweaked the float to shut off slightly sooner. No change.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2025 at 3:48pm |
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I think the low vacuum reading was due to cheap uncalibrated meter. But I'll verify when my brother brings a higher quality one.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2025 at 3:52pm |
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I tried adjusting timing with the Zenith...could not resolve the problem.
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dfwallis
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Posted: 24 Jul 2025 at 3:14pm |
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Brother brought a better quality vac meter. Engine reads 22 in hg, steady. Agrees with my cheap farmer calibrated meter...
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Les Kerf
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Posted: 24 Jul 2025 at 6:48pm |
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Excellent! ![]() That means you do not have sticky valves and your rings are sealing properly. Once you get the correct carburetor on there with the proper jetting your troubles should be over. Hang in there
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Posted: 24 Jul 2025 at 8:07pm |
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Place i sent the carburetor to has been repairing all types of carbs for 80 years...and can actually test them...that part wasn't clear at nearly all the other places I looked at...fingers crossed...
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Posted: 30 Jul 2025 at 11:38am |
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In steps, I've increased the jet all the way .082...I no longer have to use the choke to get full throttle range, but any time the governor revs it it still dies unless I recover it by choking. And thats only with the adjusting screw all the way out. Screw it in, reduces the throttle running range.
Seems like a ridiculously large jet for a tiny engine...I may as well see where it goes with further increases. But then again, only a little larger than the tsx 486 new jet size of .780. |
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dfwallis
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Posted: 30 Jul 2025 at 12:21pm |
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.089, best behavior so far...starting to have some adjusting screw effect. Super snappy governor as long as it doesn't rev too much...seems far fetched...
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Posted: 30 Jul 2025 at 1:45pm |
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Hmmm, tsx 486 carb info says the economizer jet is .0775...the main is .0990...#39 drill
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Les Kerf
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Posted: 30 Jul 2025 at 2:11pm |
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So, are you now dealing with the TSX unit and was it professionally rebuilt and tested?
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Posted: 30 Jul 2025 at 2:41pm |
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No, tweaking the budget chinese knockoff zenith...I went all out and bored the main jet out to .0990...it now runs almost normally. It does have a slight wavering behavior at max throttle, but it might actually be usable now. Unfortunately, there's not much meat left on the jet for more boring. But I also now have some control with the adjusting screw. The tsx probably won't be finished before this trip ends on Saturday. Next trip probably late Aug. This carb obviously should not have been marketed as a 486 replacement...should have been 12522...guessing somebody cut and pasted wrong...hey but I got it for less than 1/3 of a zenith...what's a little frustration and anger...
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Posted: 01 Aug 2025 at 3:44pm |
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Had it apart waiting for a delayed ups shipment and just got a chance to take it for a spin. My gosh, it ran great! 99.44% miss free. I may be afraid to reinstall the tsx when it comes back. It should be finished sometime next week he said.
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Posted: 01 Aug 2025 at 3:50pm |
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It seems odd that you would have to bore the main jet THAT FAR OVERSIZE... but you had the symptoms of "lack of gas".... so yes, what ever works is a great solution !!
One step at a time till you get there......... I think your there !!
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Posted: 01 Aug 2025 at 3:53pm |
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i notice that the REPLACEMENT carb was bored to .099 ... and the ORIGINAL TSC had a .099 inch main jet......... so MAYBE they just put the WRONG MAIN into the knock off carb !!
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Posted: 02 Aug 2025 at 9:03am |
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Perhaps the whistle blew for quitting time before the drill got all the way through? ![]()
Since the vacuum signal will be the same for both types of carburetor, and the fuel level in the float bowl is specified to be the same height (according to my manuals) it makes sense that the main jet diameters should be pretty near the same size for each. |
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Posted: 02 Aug 2025 at 2:03pm |
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Since it appears that you are very close to size on the main jet I would suggest polishing rather than drilling to final size. Dunk a q-tip in some mild polishing compound (maybe cheap toothpaste) and chuck it in a drill. You may need to peel some cotton off of the swab, but it needs to fit pretty snug inside. Buzz it around for 30 seconds or so, then look inside. Repeat until you get bored. |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2025 at 11:39am |
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Contacted the carb rebuilder today. He has had considerable difficulty getting some of the mangled components out but now has everything apart. Hopes to complete by next week. He's trying to locate the specific replacement parts rather than a full kit since I already installed the full kit minus those mangled jets I couldn't easily remove. If he can't find them, he'll go for the full kit and use what he needs.
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Posted: 20 Aug 2025 at 5:39pm |
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The carburetor rebuild is complete and it's on its way back home just in time for my next trip. I sure hope this is finally put to bed. He indicated that he found what he thinks is a part from a type C/adjustable-load-jet carburetor in behind a mangled jet (those universal kits contain a lot of extra parts not applicable to a type a). And of course it was also dirty/rusty in those passages. I'm sure its been that way for decades, even before it was parked.
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 7:04pm |
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Inspected the rebuilt carburetor. My gosh, he does excellent work. It looks factory new, shiny even. I hope it works as good as it looks. I'll find out tomorrow.
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 10:42am |
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Well...bad news. It runs just as bad as before...
couldn't tell even a hint of difference in behavior with the tsx486...I am more than frustrated what the heck could be wrong with this carb???
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 12:01pm |
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Same symptoms with two different carbs says the problem isn’t with the carb.
This has been a long post so I don’t remember if you sprayed carb cleaner around the manifold to check for air leaks or not, but the problem doesn’t seem to be the carb. |
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 12:09pm |
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No, it runs pretty good with the Zenith after I modified it...but the Zenith doesn't fit well. It is almost completely miss free with the Zenith...I really want the correct carb, not a kludge crappy one. The Zenith still doesn't run well at higher rpm. It wavers up and down...but no misfires...the tsx misfires at all rpms.
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Posted: 31 Aug 2025 at 2:40pm |
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After dismantling the "rebuilt" TSX 486, I've found incorrect jet size/placement, so I've shipped the carburetor to TX and will give it another look. I've found better service documentation now which should make it easier and more thorough. I also see what appears to be microcracks in the bottom of the float bowl, but haven't confirmed it yet. I found that the "economizer" jet (the last non-removable/mangled one) was previously installed at the wrong location (according to it's size of 0.0775"), according to an AGCO drawing. A smaller jet is now installed at the economizer location. I'm not sure that matters at idle though. I think it is more effective at high throttle settings. There's no economizer jet (0.0775) at any jet position now. Luckily, I have a brand new one and will correct that.
The rebuilder had complained to me about not finding adequate documentation for the fixed jet TSX carbs (only the type C). But I don't see the above as being substantially different in the type A. He did mis-identify the carburetor on the invoice as a Zenith, but when we spoke by phone he seemed aware it was a Marvel. ![]() I made additional mods to the Zenith 12566 for fitment. At least the throttle plate is not hitting the sides and getting stuck. It generally runs good as long as the governor does not kick in. While mowing, I turned the front wheel a little too sharp and it died instantly. Attempting to back it into the barn, up on a 4 inch high pad lip, it kept dying. Liked to never got it back in there. I've since learned to idle it down quite a bit instead of speeding it up. ![]() |
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Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 7:22pm |
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Well, my irreplaceable TSX486 is lost somewhere in the USPS. I shipped 2 packages priority. One arrived in 3 days, the other (the important one) has been in transit for 8 days.
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Posted: 06 Sep 2025 at 6:14pm |
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The carburetor is at least in the right city now...
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