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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 6:41am |
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Anyone have a picture of one and/or two row bottom plow for a c
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:08am |
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I would like to see pictures of a mounted C plow also. More detail the better.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:10am |
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:16am |
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:16am |
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I know where there is one of the singles are at for $50
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:19am |
Here is a B but everything except the width of the drawbar is the same I believe.  
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:25am |
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Can a c pull a three row plow or is two about the limit you want to do?
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:33am |
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The c has the same basic motor as the B, and two bottoms is max on normal plowing. The one bottom plow would work great in tough plowing.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:36am |
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I'd say two is definitely the limit, and in tough soil I doubt you'll manage that. We have a forum member that pulls a 3 bottom with his CA but a C would probably not move with 3 bottoms in the ground. I'd love to be proven wrong though! I just don't see how it could happen. Maybe with a newer, larger motor?
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:43am |
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Mounted or pull type, what kind of soil? Given the right conditions, enough ballast and proper settings, it could pull 3 but I have seen guys trying to pull a 2-12 pull type and do nothing but spin, then can't get the plow back out of the ground without help. There is a factory picture out there somewhere of a C or a B with a 3 bottom mounted plow. The only mounted plow I know of that Allis sold for the C was 1 bottom. The 2 way plows had 2 bottoms but you only used one at a time.
I remember Dad talking about the neighbor plowing with a 2-12 and his B. Dad had 1-16 that had been altered by the local blacksmith to cut 18 inches. Dad said he could run in second gear and the neighbor had to stay in first. At the end of the day, Dad said he would have half again more ground turned over.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 9:33am |
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We have a forum member that pulls a 3 bottom with his CA but a C would probably not move with 3 bottoms in the ground. I'd love to be proven wrong though! I just don't see how it could happen. Maybe with a newer, larger motor? |
The C and the CA and later B's all have the same engine. Look at the right rear wheel. You can see dirt from the furrow on the tire. I believe this might be a factory photo????
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 12:27pm |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
The C and the CA and later B's all have the same engine. Look at the right rear wheel. You can see dirt from the furrow on the tire. I believe this might be a factory photo???? |
They do all have the same engine, more or less, but how the heck are you going to put a 3-bottom mounted plow on a C? That's the difference here between a C and a CA, not so much the engine horsepower like you seem to be thinking. It's the application of that horsepower. You can pull mounted plow (especially with the Traction Booster of the CA, another key difference) with more bottoms (or larger size of the bottoms) than a trailer plow.
With enough modification, you could do like that picture shows but I'm figuring the average guy is going to be using a trailer plow, and I don't think a stock C is going to pull a 3 bottom trailer plow. Maybe with 10" bottoms, or some realllllly light soil...
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 12:41pm |
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I don't think you could pull a 3 bottom trailer plow. Like I said in the reply just before the one you read, I watched a guy trying to plow with a 2 bottom trip plow and he couldn't do it. With the right conditions, a properly weighted tractor, I believe a 2 bottom trailer plow would work, 2-12's for sure. I also don't think there were too many "modifications" to the tractor pictured. The modifications would be to the plow to attach to the original rock shaft pictured.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 10:36pm |
Yes, the modifications I was referring to were to the plow and mounting hardware. Practically (ha!), I think you'd have to modify a snap coupler 3 bottom or three 1 bottom B-C plows and rig it up to fit. And go through all that work, knowing you still don't have traction booster... my vote is still "no" regarding 3 bottoms on a stock model C.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 7:46am |
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There is nowhere near enough front wieght on that B to lift the 3 bottom. My C with the 1 bottom mounted gets very light in the front. In heavy clay with roots and rocks. just pulling will raise the front. when you get to the furrow end and lift the plow the front tires come up before the plow comes out of the ground. once the suction breaks then the plow comes out and the tires go back down. I could go out and hook my 2 bottom snap coupler to the back of my CA but I would not even try to pull it. In My heavy soil it makes the WD45 work.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 7:47am |
Pictures of my mounted B/C plow on my C from this past fall
My C has plenty of power but at times not enough traction or weight on the front end.
Here is my 3 bottom on my CA. My CA also has plenty of power and will plow with it but the front end likes to come up way to often for me. My CA does have fluid in the rear tires.
Yes the C and the CA have the same engine size but remember the CA has more horse power via higher compression and higher rpm's and a CA weighs just a tad bit more than the C. While my CA will pull a 3 bottom, it will pull a 2 bottom faster and that is where the difference is. More bottoms does not mean faster plowing. The C will probably pull a 2 bottom with weights etc but there again, it will probably pull a 1 bottom faster.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 8:17am |
Wil, nice cast iron moldboard on the B/C plow! Did you have fluid in the rears of the C?
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Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 10:08am |
I learned to plow with a C and a 2 bottom plow. It did not have weights and if it was tuff plowing, it would just spin. Then you had to lift the depth control by moving levers up.
Dad got a WC after that it would really pull the 2-12 plow. But one year the neighbor got a new wd-45 with the 3 bottom plow. He really could plow deep, and it was in gumbo soil. Some it was in Alfalfa and had to shear the roots off. I was impressed.
I still have the old WC that Dad had, but it has smaller tires on it now, but still runs good.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 10:31am |
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Could the B&W photo of the C and 3 bm plow be in Europe? Being is has after market headlights and sorta turn signal lights mounted lower in front.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 3:41pm |
wjohn wrote:
Wil, nice cast iron moldboard on the B/C plow! Did you have fluid in the rears of the C?
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No, My C does not have fluid in the tires. The cast iron moldboard looks good from a distance but has several cracks in it and I probably shouldn't be using it.....
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Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 6:41pm |
MBwcIll wrote:
Could the B&W photo of the C and 3 bm plow be in Europe? Being is has after market headlights and sorta turn signal lights mounted lower in front. |
Yes, the Netherlands. the web address is on the picture but I can't read the words on their site 
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