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bakwoodsfarm 
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Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 8:23pm |
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I know, it's JD. But.
I have a JD 7200 vacuum planter. The question is can I run this planter with a 7045? The manual says that my 7050 has open-center hydros, but the 7045 has closed center. The book said I need closed-center hydros to run the planter. It does not have the pto pump.
Thanks, Brad
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 9:00pm |
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I'm not an authority here but sure they have same hyd system. I think the hyd system will be marginal if even work on that planter.Brother in law said his 4840 Deere didn't have enough hydraulics for one of those.Deere lists a whole hyd system add on for pto pump. $$$$$$$ He said they rented a 12-30 7200 vac and it was terrible slow lifting. I was looking at one last year for my 8070 and wasn't liking info I was getting from Deere dealer on hydraulic setup. I really don't know the answer but you may find out the hard way?
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orangeman69
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Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 9:07pm |
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we run a 16 row deere ccs planter on our 8070,9000$ later we had a pto pump running the vacuum setup,still cheaper than a different tractor.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 9:24pm |
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Is there NO other way to run these planters? I did not realize a 7200 was a vac planter, I thought they were a "slightly"updated 7000. Apparently more updated than I thought,LOL!
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N6PETE
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Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 9:38pm |
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I have converted two 7200 planters over to using a 1000 rpm CIH pump and put a cooler in the return line to keep the oil cool. I also put a jumper line from the high pressure side to the low pressure side with a needle valve to regulate the oil flow to the vacuum blower for vacuum control. Works very well.
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Bruiser
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Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 10:26pm |
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I don't know how the two tractors would compare but I ran a 12 row 1760 JD vac planter with a deere 4440 and had plenty of hydraulics for raise and lower, markers, and meters. This was using just the tractor hydraulics with no external pump and didn't need high RPMs on endrows.
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victoryallis
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Posted: 13 Dec 2017 at 5:54pm |
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May need to look into a case drain on the return. Try calling JO Harris in Illinois they handle a huge number of planters might have ideas on a PTO pump.
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wayne IA
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Posted: 13 Dec 2017 at 8:43pm |
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If I remember correctly, the vac blower on the JD planters only uses 3 or 4 gallon a minute (at maximum speed), I don't know if you have one or two blowers (4 or 8 GPM max) since they potentially could have been setup either way. Works best if you have a flow control handle under the seat and use that remote to run the vac fan and adjust your vac level that way. As for a PTO pump setup, one off a White planter would work too. 7200 could have either a vac meter or a finger meter system. If running the fan off the tractor hydraulics though, make sure to move the control lever to float to stop the fan if you don't have an overrunning circuit to allow the fan to stop. Otherwise it will snap the shaft off on the fan motor with it locking in the hold position. Another way to plumb it, if it doesn't have the overrunning feature, is to put a check valve from the pressure line to the return line that allows oil to the pressure line, but not to the return line. Then when you put the lever in hold, the check valve will open and allow the fan to coast to a stop. Most likely the fan has the overrunning valve installed if previously powered from the tractor, but doesn't hurt to mention it to avoid an expensive oops.
Edited by wayne IA - 13 Dec 2017 at 8:48pm
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Posted: 14 Dec 2017 at 6:28am |
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7050 has the same hydraulic system as the 7045. Closed Center Pressure and flow compensated. I think I've read on here before that the PTO pump is still preferred as running the tractor hydraulic pump constantly is hard on it. I could be wrong about that last part but I'm not wrong on what type of hydraulic system a 7050 has.
Edited by Lonn - 14 Dec 2017 at 6:29am
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 14 Dec 2017 at 7:43am |
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Any 7 or 8 thousand series tractor should run it. Having a hydraulic oil cooler on the tractor is best. Make sure stand by pressure and high pressure is up to high end of spec. Darrel
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Posted: 14 Dec 2017 at 5:07pm |
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No, a 7200 could be either vac or finger pickup, just depends how it was ordered. You can run a vac planter with a PTO pump if the tractor doesn't have the hydraulic capacity. Imo the vac units are a lot simpler setup then a finger pickup unit.
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