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    Posted: 03 Oct 2009 at 9:21am

Starting with the 40's and moving forward to the 70's which of the big Allis Crawlers do you guys think was the most reliable and easiest to maintain? 

This question includes the Allis, GM and Buda Engined Machines.  Just curious what your thougths are.
 
I kinda like the Fiat Allis FD 5 and the Allis HD6's as well as the H-3's.

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