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    Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 7:38pm
  A friend took a radiator from a WD45 to a dealership to have it repaired.  The names of the parties will remain unnamed.  There was no discussion of price.  The radiator was repaired and returned in nice repair except the top outlet was in the wrong place so he had to doctor the hood to get the hood on the tractor.  Later, the dealership called with the bill of $1,800 for the repair.  Yes, the dollar amount is what was charged for the repair.  SOMEONE HAS NO CONSCIENCE.  My frend does not intend to pay the bill as you would expect.  Oh well, live and learn.
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Seems steep! Price should be agreed on near the front end of the job.
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I believe the got the decimal in the wrong place. $180 is about right for a repair. Have had re-cores done for $500 and $700....
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I can buy a brand new one for $225!
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Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

Price should be agreed on near the front end of the job.
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Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

Seems steep! Price should be agreed on near the front end of the job.


This, every time.
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$1800? Tell him to keep the radiator. Either he will come down to a reasonable price or you could buy another one much cheaper.
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The dealer has a limited responsibility to refuse work if he can't do a repair for a reasonable price. The owner should never assume this. The dealer was wrong for not estimating the price of the repair and securing payment terms up front. Also the dealer should have not let the radiator out the door with out payment. At this point the owner should find out what a radiator shop would charge and get a price on a new radiator then make a reasonable offer to settle the debt for what it should have cost to repair it. But not paying the bill could get ugly. 
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BTW, I bought a new one a few years ago. Can't remember the price but it was less then $500  It was less the the cost to repair it. Also I had a forklift radiator [special] repaired 2 years ago it was about $450  More then the new WD radiator.
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 3 years ago I took the radiator out of my dads D-17 D for repair. They boiled it, fixed a few tubes and fix the tank. The cost was $200.00.

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I'd pay the bill and move on and make it a life lesson: get a cost estimate before the work is started.
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I always want to know what I will write the check for! 
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I'd send the dealer with a check for $500, with the words final settlement, Invoice#XXXX. written on the memo section, if he cashes the check, you know no legal action will be taken.  Always ask for an estimate, always take back something that don't fit right, and NEVER go back to the same dealer, that tries to scalp you.  Now don't post anything about a dealer, on the internet, till the matter is settled.  I am not a lawyer, nor did I sleep at a holiday inn, last night...
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I would sell the guy a radiator with the rest of the tractor for less than 1800. I can see fault on both sides here.
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I'm with DiyDave on this. If your friend doesn't pay at all, then there could be serious consequences. Whenever I need something fixed, I always ask my mechanic for an estimate and I tell him that if the price is going to be considerably higher than estimated to let me know before he does anything. 

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I just had a 1750 Oliver radiator rebuilt, totally re-cored, it was pretty rough. Was just over $700, and we discussed it before just doing it. I simply cannot see where anyone could justify billing someone 1800 for any radiator, much less for one that goes in a $1000 tractor lol!
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OK, YIKES, it is pricey,though NEW D-14 up here is $600..... NO discussion about price BEFORE ?? Sorry, but tractor owner is 'on the hook'. He SHOULD and COULD have limited the repair cost by signing and filling in the amount on the work order. At least that is the LAW up here, every auto shop has to ...

As for the 'repair'.. it wasn't done properly, so the owner has a bit of a leg to stand on to mitigate the bill. There is no way I'd accept the rad if I had to modify MY tractor....

BTW you should post what shop this is, to warn others.

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This stuff happens. Ordered belts and a "Special Nut" for my mower. The belts where a great price but the price for the "Special Nut" was not available. I figured no more than $5 for the nut. Got the belts and the nut and the price of the nut was $58.00. The dealer was very good and gave me full credit for the nut. Still what a hassle to get it corrected.
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You would think that someone with more than two active brain cells would have checked the price of a new radiator before taking it to a shop. You would think he would have inquired about an estimate. You would think he would take it back if it wasn't right. You would think no one would modify their hood to get it to fit. Stupid is as stupid does.
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I've got a JCB skid steer loader that needed a couple tiny little rubber buttons that cover the switches for the hydraulic and two speed controls that are on the right hand joy stick.  Called the dealer, had to order them, couple weeks went by, nope, not here yet, month later, "they're here, though you might not want them".  Drove the 50 miles to the dealer, three little yellow pieces of rubber in a plastic bag maybe  2 inches square.  Parts guy told me to sit down while he looked up the price, $75!!!!!!  I told him sorry, I just couldn't pay that much.  Told me they checked the price twice to be sure it wasn't a typo or something.  I offered to pay for shipping them back.  He said no, they would put it on the bulletin board with the invoice for a while. 
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BAD,BAD,bad, deal, BUT I am afraid he will have to pay the $1800, BUT then I would spread the word far and wide about that shop to warn others about their shoddy work and price gouging !--- let the chips fall!!! LOL!!! thanks; ac fleet
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Id would take it back and tell them to eat it as the top outlet is in the wrong place. I would get an estimate from anouther repair shop and price of new radiator. Small claims will side with owner if he has multiple repair quotes. Id atill make them fix the outlet.
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I believe I would have to go there in person and verify that it was in fact $1800 and not $180. Especially if there is more them one person involved at the dealer. It's very possible somebody didn't pay attention to a number and whoever made the call didn't pay attention either.
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The first thing I would do is go to the dealership and CALMLY try to settle this. I would take a copy of the bill, pictures of the problem with the outlet that did not allow the radiator to be installed properly and some estimates for a new radiator. (of course you have to realize that these "replacement radiators" are foreign made and not copper. You have to be able to compare apples to apples.)

The problems I see with this whole deal is that

1. He accepted the radiator and didn't notify the dealer of problems until after he received the bill.

2. There was no "contract" (agreement on what repairs are being done and costs). When you hire someone without a contract, you are pretty much giving them permission to do whatever repairs they see fit and bill you for those repairs.

If the dealer is reputable, he will probably work with him. If the dealer won't negotiate with him, he should get an attorney to write a letter to the dealer (ASAP) that the repairs made were not satisfactory and the cost was exorbitant. If this ends up going to court, your friend is going to need some documentation (before the court case), that he tried to arbitrate this with the dealer. Otherwise, it's going to appear that it is just a matter of non-payment and it will strengthen the dealers case.

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FWIW there's a WD45 an hour from me with a NEW RAD, water pump, rebuilt guv, good tires,etc.  for 1400 Canucks, so maybe what $1000 USD ?
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All hear say ,what is the REAL STORY.
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Pheew!
I just has a radiator totally rebuilt and recored for my forklift. It is roughly half again larger than a WD unit plus is 4 row and the total was less than $600.  6-8 years ago ( I know different date and time) I had our WF radiator recored for like $300.   Ya he should have asked for an estimate but any way you look at it the price is 2X or more over what it should be plus the work wasn't done right, he has a legit complaint with the dealer.
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And should not have changed anything and taken it BACK to Dealer when it was not correct.
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In today's day n' age, the first thing he did wrong was not get a quote. The pricing of items and parts are waaaay different then say even 4-5 years ago. Things just keep going up. With a quote of $1800. he should have gotten a good running 45' Tractor connected to that Radiator.  That's a shame. I don't know how some of these people can sleep at night when they charge prices like that. Yeah, things go up, but not that far up! Whew! I call that a homerun...!  He really should look into that. It could have been a typo error.
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