Autocar and GM venture Fuel Cell

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   GM and Autocar just formed a joint venture on vocational trucks using fuel cell power . 
  I worked on the prototype GM fuel cell in late 90's and 2000 /2003 era . This fuel cell was refinement of Allis Chalmers 1950's design developed with US Dept of Energy .
 Original AC tractor was around 20/25 HP - the unit parts for GM we made here in St Paul were used to make a 150/175 HP unit . 
 Now GM evidently has boosted power to a point it will power a truck up to 80,000lb and no big batteries or no use of grid . All the hype of the EV and the dependence on grid power is now at another stage of collapse .  

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Edited by Coke-in-MN - 08 Dec 2023 at 7:13pm

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Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41862	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Autocar and GM venture Fuel Cell Posted: 08 Dec 2023 at 3:25pm
	GM and Autocar just formed a joint venture on vocational trucks using fuel cell power . I worked on the prototype GM fuel cell in late 90's and 2000 /2003 era . This fuel cell was refinement of Allis Chalmers 1950's design developed with US Dept of Energy . Original AC tractor was around 20/25 HP - the unit parts for GM we made here in St Paul were used to make a 150/175 HP unit . Now GM evidently has boosted power to a point it will power a truck up to 80,000lb and no big batteries or no use of grid . All the hype of the EV and the dependence on grid power is now at another stage of collapse . https://www.truckinginfo.com/10211875/autocar-and-gm-announce-electric-truck-joint-venture?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20231208_1705:65735cfe227bfcf6200e7f0b:ot_NL-HDT-EquipmentReport-20231208&omid=1009689398&cid=6346623e539111e4c30259cd Edit All reactions: 1William Powell Edited by Coke-in-MN - 08 Dec 2023 at 7:13pm
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Ted J Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18923	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ted J Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2023 at 12:35am
	VERY informative article Coke! BUT,,,,,,what will be the cost to consumers? According to the latest,,,,I'm now eligible for govt assistance cause I'm in the poor section what with SS...... Wouldn't be in this predicament if it weren't for Biden and the Dems.
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Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41862	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2023 at 5:50pm
	When we were making to prototype fuel cell plates they were TITANIUM plates and the chemical milling process needed a WITCHES BREW of chemicals to etch the pattern into the plates . After running the solution for so many cycles it would go dead and have to be disposed of which I had to treat , Neutralize the acid by adding caustic soda to bring Ph to Neutral and then running liquid through treatment system . This left titanium oxide behind in treatment tank which had to be disposed of - a white paste material - that was feed into treatment system - use to think that paste would be a great paint additive . Evidently GM has come up with some form of plates that are cheaper than the titanium we used to get costs down to where these units can now be sold . A fuel cell is a lot less cost than hauling 10,000 pound batteries aboard a truck and needing a special charging station to keep truck on the road .
	Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."