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Ted J 
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 12:38pm |
I picked up this A-C (wagon OOPS!!) (Also have a wagon question) RAKE  at a recent auction. The owner had converted it from S/C to 3-point. As he was getting ready for the auction, he was moving his Cat and ran over part of the tongue. You can see that in the pics. TWO (2) BIG questions I need answered. Question 1: So I can get a manual..... *****I need to know what model it is.***** Question 2: So I can get it up and running...... *****What might be missing to put it back to S/C.***** Thanks Guys & Gals!    You can see the bent outward part of the tongue. I'm pretty sure I can straighten it out.  Can you see the bent piece in this pic?    The two lift arms I need to make over, these are junk, besides farmer weld.   Notice the piece at the bottom? Does it go to the rake? He had it in the pole shed and didn't know what it fit.
Edited by Ted J - 04 Apr 2017 at 9:22am
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grinder220
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 1:28pm |
Thats a funny looking "wagon"  looks like a 77m
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 3:53pm |
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Ted look at the pics closer. I don't see a wagon.
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 4:14pm |
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The piece at the bottom Ted, is the clutch pedal off a 47 Hudson. Just trying to be helpful. lol Tim
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 4:29pm |
i am hung up on that thing in the background behind th red shed , its a what ?
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Play on 38 B 49 WF , working on D14, D15 B10, Bee 12 B110. use 185 and 190
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 7:18pm |
Agreed Ted. 77M 
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 7:31pm |
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My dad bought one of those one time we tried it with the snap couple hitch and then with 3pt hitch and it never did work right on our hilly ground.If you have flat even ground it might be OK.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 7:58pm |
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The bottom piece looks like a leveler arm off a AC lawn mower. Andy
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 8:58pm |
Problem wif ALL lift type rakes is they lift when you don't want em to, and drag, when you don't want'm to...
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Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 7:57am |
Great find Ted. I always wanted to find one of those. Neat  Pictures got me thinking though. How do you adjust the height? Seems like there should've been a screw adjustment on the dolly wheels or something.
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Ted J
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Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 9:25am |
 tractorman wrote:
i am hung up on that thing in the background behind th red shed , its a what ? |
John, it's my work horse...56 WD45
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Ted J
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Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 9:32am |
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Anybody got a manual for it?
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Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 9:49am |
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I've got a spare manual Ted.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 10:23am |
Allis dave wrote:
Great find Ted. I always wanted to find one of those. Neat
Pictures got me thinking though. How do you adjust the height? Seems like there should've been a screw adjustment on the dolly wheels or something. |
There are adjustments on the wheels.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 2:00pm |
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Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 2:46pm |
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Got a suggestion . Put a chain like third link on three point and let it hinge where hitch fasten to rake. Then put a swivel dolly in front and let it float .
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Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 2:51pm |
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PS My idea was for the rake and not the wagon.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 2:53pm |
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Yeah, good idea WF. That might work. Dave
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Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 6:27pm |
Re the snap coupler lift arms, drill a hole, in the shaft, under the lower jaws, parallel to the top bolt of the existing SC lift arms, of the tractor's SC clamps, and insert a 5/8 bolt or round stock, like a AC bush hog has, and the arms won't jump out of the coupler...
Hope that made sense...
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Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 4:41pm |
DiyDave wrote:
Re the snap coupler lift arms, drill a hole, in the shaft, under the lower jaws, parallel to the top bolt of the existing SC lift arms, of the tractor's SC clamps, and insert a 5/8 bolt or round stock, like a AC bush hog has, and the arms won't jump out of the coupler...
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Didn't help Dave as I've never seen a bush hog setup.... Thanks anyway, but do you have a pic?
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Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 4:41pm |
After looking closely, there is a lot of damage to my front part of the rake. Here is what it looks like. The pictures don't do it justice..... Remember, it was run over by a CAT... The worst part is where the S/C Yoke is to hook in and the left & right sides are really bent all to heck. Notice the left (as you face it, facing rear) side has a bolt pulled completely away from the tongue part. Is the top parts supposed to be bent or straight? Any pics will help me. If you guys that have pics of my damaged area, can send them to me, it'd help. In this pic, you can see the two main rails, but you really can't tell how bent they are... Notice the welded on part for the top link. He had turned it into a 3-point conversion.  You can see how the left leg is bent outward and down! Parts pulled away and welds broken.  Down & out  Pulled the bolt right out (bent) and the makeshift tension holder.....What is it SUPPOSED to look like?  This is the left (as you face rear) main beam. Is it supposed to be curved? I KNOW not THIS much...  Are the bolts around the PTO / pulley supposed to be this long? Is something missing? Just above it is something with 2 holes, like a bolt or something should go through. See the add on ears for the top link of the 3-point.  That's about the best I can do with pics...... Anybody near me in La Crosse have one, so I can take a look at it? I probably need measurements also..... Thanks, Ted
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Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 4:58pm |
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I bought a rake identical to that one a couple years ago. Finally got it home last fall over Thanksgiving weekend. I haven't tried using it yet. There is another one just like it listed for sale on craigslist; either western MT, or eastern Idaho. Darrel
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Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 5:01pm |
Chad(WI) wrote:
Agreed Ted. 77MWhat a beautiful tractor and rake you have there, Chad. Got enough weight on the tractor that the wind shouldn't blow it away. Lol! Darrel |
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Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 10:18am |
Ted, here is a picture of the front of my rake. Hope it helps with some of your questions. I don't have those four bolts you reference. I kind of suspect there may have been some sort of pto cover bolted on there, maybe? Can't tell from the picture about the other two holes, so will have to go out and take a look at the rake. The jack had been broke off of my rake when I acquired it, but did manage to find it in the seller's shed and then welded a bracket onto the rake to bolt the jack to. Dave 
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Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 10:42am |
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Ok, Ted, went back out and looked at my rake. The two holes you reference had a pin going through them to the bracket the idler/tightening pulley connects to. On your rake it looks like that pulley was moved to the left (as you face the rake) and a fabricated piece welded on for the pulley bracket, so I guess you have it taken care of. Hope this helps. Dave
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