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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8246 |
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Done a water test on my well and it's in bad shape- eater has tasted funny for a bit, and GOOGLE says to use bleach, just wondering if anyone on here has done this, and looking for advise
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24335 |
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Yup... and I used TOOOOOO much....oopsy. See if you can get a chart or something from Google... I'm thinking maybe 1-2 cups is enough, 1/2 a gallon was waaaaay to much... Be sure to run ALL the taps to 'flush' out all the bad water and the stinky bleach.
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8246 |
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Gottcha one fella said to use at least 5 gallons- its a deep well 300 ft, if that matters
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24335 |
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My well( I found out later.....) is 51' deep with 25 feet of water, 6" well casing so NOW I understand how I oversanitized it !
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85476 |
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our well is 30 ft deep and 3 ft in diameter ( shallow well)... when it had 15 ft of water in it, i was using 1/2 gallon to clean it out.. ......... 300 ft deep sounds like a lot, but what is the water level ? A quart or maybe 2 sounds about right.
a lot depends on how much you pump back out... I use to add the bleach ( maybe 6 month intervals), then pump into the house , let it set a while, then pump maybe half the water out of the well and let it refill and use it......... If your going to PUMP IT DRY and let it refill, thats different. Edited by steve(ill) - 16 Jul 2020 at 5:21pm |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8471 |
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30ft of 36in cased well. after pulling submersible pump for any repairs dumped in a gallon of laundry bleach. A little strong for a bit but not a problem
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Red Bank ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 2018 Location: Germanton NC Points: 1051 |
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I had an Iron problem with my well and treated it with pool chlorine. The wife wasn’t happy but the toilets stayed clean and the dishes were clean and the clothes especially whites were clean. Lol. In the past when pulling well pumps I would pour 1/2 gallon of bleach in. Our wells are all around 165’.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85476 |
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The wife wasn’t happy but the toilets stayed clean and the dishes were clean and the clothes especially whites were clean ![]() Edited by steve(ill) - 16 Jul 2020 at 7:39pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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HD6GTOM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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Mine is only 21' deep a brick well 12' of water. I poured a half gallon in it years ago. It was toooo much. Some where there was a chart for it but it's been years since I seen it.
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EricPA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Watsontown,PA. Points: 2578 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpfZR1E5uFE#action=share
you can use peroxide as well
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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yeah..i've also heard of people using hydrogen peroxidide too, but don't know how much. one of our #%@&% well companies poured some kinda acid down ours once, we used to have great tasting water, it's been 15 years +/- and the water still has a bad taste in it. found out later that it's a way to let him drill a new well for big $$$$.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24335 |
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household bleach is about 3% swimming pool bleach about 5% hydrogen peroxide usually 30% ( yes thirty !) TEN times stronger neighbour has black toilet...thought it was sulphur but NO smell, might be mangenese,so he's looking at a cistern..... ah the joys of country living....
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11964 |
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Bleach is sodium hydrochlorite, hydrogen peroxide is H2O2. Comparing strength by the typical consumer solution concentration is a bit pointless.
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Dakota Dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: ND Points: 3964 |
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Last well i did i followed the well drillers instructions. Put 2 3" pooltabletsin the well run the well with the garden hose back into the well.open all taps untill you get bleach smell Let it sit for 4 hours with the bleached water in all the lines. Run the water out into the yard for 12 hours. Cleaned out the sulphur smell and passed the water retest
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33121 |
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Well driller here does not recommend store bought bleach in deep wells, stated he has access to smaller tablets to drop in at a few months interval that SLOW Dissolve and do not release the typical long term bleach taste/odors, only recommended for bacterial issues not sulphur or hard water. We have Some Sulphur odor and taste on occasion, usually when waterers are hit hard by livestock but the water tests great just hard so added a softener, does well (TEEHEE!!) By Us!
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LouSWPA ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24688 |
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I had a couple of acres years ago, I put a well and septic system, used house trailer and lived there for several years. The well was 230 feet deep and still was a weak well. We had to be very carefull of usage, but it served us OK. Then someone bought right next to me and put in a well not 100 feet from mine. They would be washing cares, dong laundry every day, watering the lawn, and our water went to near nothing. I mentioned it to the neighbor, asked if maybe they could go to the local car wash. She replied her well driller told her we weren't in the same pool. OK, so we struggled along for awhile, and eventually i had to pull the pump.
So, when I put it back in I was told to put a cup of bleach down the well. Well, I'm a 'if a teaspoon is good, a quart has to be better' kinda guy, so I dumped two gallons down! Week or so later, neighbor calls up, want s to know if we was getting clorine smell in the water. I told her no, said I put a 'little' bleach down the well when i pulled the pump, a week or so ago, but that shouldn't be bothering her, since we were not in the same 'pool'. I didn't admit to her that we was forever getting that taste and smell gone! I think two gallons may be a little too much. LOL Funny thing is, we lived like that for several more years, and sold it. moved up the road on 20acres. The fellow that bought it drilled another well, about 150 away from the first went 90 and couldn't pump it dry!
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DWC17 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Location: N.W.Ohio Points: 52 |
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If it helps, I have some info. from some years back about shock treating a well. If you know how many feet of standing water you have then you can multiple by the gallons per 10' of casing. 4" = 6.5 gallons per 10', 5" = 10.2, 6" = 14.7, 8" - 26.1, 10" = 40.8, 12" = 58.8, 24" =235.0, 30" = 367.2, 37" = 528.7. Laundry bleach rate is 3 pints for every 100 gallons of water. I figure I have about 40 gallons of water in my well and the last time I treated it I used 4 1/2 cups of bleach so I was a little strong on the bleach. I did like some of the other said and bypassed the softner and then ran water back in the well for 20 minutes. I then ran all of the faucets until I smelled bleach at each one and waited 1 hour and then flushed the lines until no bleach smell. Move the bypass control on the softner back to the run position.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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Right or wrong, 95% of the residential home builders will dump a gallon of Clorox in the 4" well cap and run multiple faucets to clear it out for the health department test prior to a "home occupancy" permit on a new home
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Walker ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: oh Points: 8726 |
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I used Dakota Dave's method and it went good.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85476 |
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as long as you are going to PUMP IT TILL IT DONT SMELL LIKE CLORINE, then it dont matter how much you put in... If your trying to TREAT the water and your going to use it, then you need control.
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john(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |
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Do you turn off the cold supply to the water heater when you do this? It seems like it would take a while to get rid of it if the heater tank filled with the chlorine!
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24335 |
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re;
Do you turn off the cold supply to the water heater when you do this NO, you NEED to disinfect the 30-40 gallons of bad water in the tank and all the hot water lines . It's probably best to DRAIN the tank (yeah...IF the drain tap will open and CLOSE ...), then sterilize.... Jay
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ford8nwd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 23 Jun 2010 Points: 1284 |
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When I was building, we dumped 3 gallons in one new house and had to run the water wide open for 3 days to clear the smell. Lesson learned.
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klinemar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Points: 8045 |
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At my parents house the well developed Iron Bacteria which is a rust looking jello that grows in the lines. They abandoned that well and drilled a new one. Well driller used water from the old well to prime the pump and contaminated the new well! Only alternative was to install a Chlorinator which was a tank with bleach and a pump and timer that would inject a small amount of bleach into the well. Every once in a while it wouldn't shut off and pump the all the bleach into the well and we couldn't drink the water and had to run the pump for days to get the bleach out. It did work as no Iron Bacteria just hard water that a conditioner takes care of.
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18923 |
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Where's Les when you need him?
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3765 |
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i allways flush clorox threw new culinary piping systems or when running a new waterline
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41819 |
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When I had the pump replaced some years back - (first pump only lasted 40 years) service guy used about 4 small pucks or chlorine - said leave it sit for a hour or 2 - then open hose tap and let it pump out for about 1 hour - then open all inside faucets and run for 10 minutes -
When I ran a DI water system in industrial plant , every other week we ran a solution of 35% Hydrogen peroxide through all the system but was set up with a metered injector to control % of mix in the lines . Had a new guy say he knew how to run the system - got a call a few hours late at home - he had left the mix get into the DI resins - created Hydrogen gas as a reaction - pressure built up and exploded - taking out about 200' of pipe, valves and glass lines around the units . (2 days of plumbing work for 2 men to get it back working) |
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5957 |
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This is called "Shocking" the well. It is not a difficult process, and can be done by guesswork and experience, but is best when some calculations are done, and the PROCESS is understood. A well will develop a bacteria problem for a variety of reasons, MOST are the result of someone working on the water system... bacteria gets introduced as a result of water backflow, pump pulled out, etc. As a result, once the well is started, that bacteria is carried into the plumbing, into pressure tank, switch, water heater, yard spigots, shower, dishwasher, laundry... EVERYWHERE. Shocking the WELL, means calculating the VOLUME of water sitting in it, and adding enough chemical treatment to be effective at killing the bacteria... and THEN, having sufficient potency left to continue WITH that water, through your other plumbing, to kill off all the other areas where that bacteria has propogated and multiplied. The concentration used, is TOTALLY dependant upon what chemical (and what dilution level) you're using. The AMOUNT of concentrate you add, is calcuated based upon that well's standing volume, PLUS extra to cover the downstream plumbing. You do NOT want to be excessive, though, as seals in the pump, and all the materials in the well casing, foot valve, pump pipe, pitless adapter, etc., will be attacked by the chemistry of that bacteria-killing chemical. To do the volume calculation, you'll either need a telephone number, or a string with a weight. Cotton (rather than Nylon or poly) works best, you'll see why in a minute. The weight must be small, and preferably STEEL (not LEAD!!!). Attach the weight securely to the string, and lower it down into your well, until you're certain it's reached the bottom, then STOP. Pull it back up, and mark where the string is first felt as WET. Measure from there, to the end of the string (weight), and this will tell you the water depth. If you have a correct phone number, you can call your well company, and they'll tell you what they measured at their last maintenance visit- well depth, pump level, and unloaded water level, they can also tell you cone-of-depression height and the accordant flow rate... but you just need to know full well depth, and distance from there to the highest water level. You'll also need to know diameter of your well. calculate the volume of the 'wet' well using grade-school math. [Area = 3.14* Radius * Radius, and Volume = Area * height ]. To convert that (if done in inches) to gallons, divide by 231. Once you know the volume, calculate the amount of shock chemical, and dump it in. THEN... follow the chemical's TIMING INSTRUCTIONS. This is a DOSAGE, and it has a limited time of effect... once you've DOSED the well, it must sit for a certain amount of time, and THEN you need to go to each device, in ALL your plumbing's branches, and flow a certain amount until you detect the chemical's odor, then SHUT IT OFF, and wait the identified time, allow the chemical to kill off bacteria in the individual branches, and after that, run them normally, and expect it to smell like chemical for a while 'till it's all out. The pressure tank and hot water heater have the greatest volume, and that's where the greatest amount of bacteria will multiply. IF you attempt to shock the well casually, without doing the math and following the process, it is most likely that you'll probably kill off all the bacteria in the well, and still have it growing in the water heater... and the end result will be no different than before. All this being said, because I have done SEVERAL of my own wells before, and had good results, but I ALWAYS re-read instructions several times through before doing so... But I've also found that my well-service company guys are great people, and if I tell them that I think that my system needs a shock, they'll tell me to drop by some day for tablets, and when I do, they'll have a photocopy of the DRAWING of my well, with the shocking calculations for the product they hand me. IIRC, the tablets are something that one cannot buy without having appropriate credentials, but they hand ME the specific dose and instructions, and I come home, pull the cap, drop them in, and follow the instructions, and I don't think they ever charged me. I'm certain that they'd do it FOR me for a modest fee, but they know and respect my abilities, and know they'll always get my business. Call your well company, inquire- perhaps they're willing to do same, or just quote you a silly-easy price for a quick visit.
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4659 |
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I can tell you using plastic baler twine can be deceiving. I was given a box of twine that was a different size than the buyer wanted( he buys it a pallet at a time,box was in the middle of pallet). Nearly full box tied a large nut on to pull it down to measure a well. I sat box on tail gate and dropped the nut and held box. Twine reeled off and just kept going. I had no idea if well was 200 or 1000 feet deep. I stopped the twine pull a bit but no feeling. Let it go and more twine reels off.
Learned water wicks up the plastic twine and pulls more off. Well was 250 feet and sucked close to 2000 feet off before I stopped. That was 8 years ago still have the remainder of twine,don't find many needs of long pieces. Lesson learned use a bigger weight and use cotton or nylon string.
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