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    Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 7:31pm
I have been looking for a Long Long time for a decent tracked loader or dozer that will do us well on the farm; I had been leaning to a dozer for the cost to buy but a '85 FL14C FA has come to view.  It is close to our place and cheap as it "Needs hydraulic pump repairs"; any thought s as to the availability for a pump if that is the case and what I should look at to verify I am not buying a pump eater.
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A 14 is a big machine for farm use, I think I would look for somethig smaller that a person could move on a tag trailer and not need a low boy and permist to move.
See if you can find a FD7 or FL7  F/A unit. As far as pumps you can be looking at some big money IF.
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Hi Coke, just the price for me is close to right: $9500, negotiable with it being only 50 miles from our place.   I almost bought the 125c in Versailles but it has trans issues and again at less then 16,000# it may not do as we need and it was still over $13,000 and too heavy for my hauling equipment.


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I know of a real nice HD-4 with a 6 way blade for sale in PA. Send me a PM if you are interested.
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As much as you guys like your HD4 machines, they are industrial machines and not made for heavy excavating or construction use. Between my HD4 and HD5G and HD5B when it came time to trade on on a skid loader , the HD4 went down the road. Then I did buy the AC 715B/ TLB around the same time .
 The FD5 dozer I now have replaced the HD5B and you could say it is 10 times the machine but it is 40 years newer and many improvements were made over those years. Biggest one would be the power-shift drive. 
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I would love a power shift or what I call a shuttle shift but a newer machine in great condition may be priced too high.  The 14C was a loss, at $9800 & the hydraulics do not work at all, they figure a pump drive shaft shear from pump lock up, that will get real pricey so I backed away; I am still looking at the 11B near to the farm also, big dozer and loss of any material lift but good clean machine I can backup with the 180 loader as I build stockpiles.  Also still considering the IH 125C with a 4in1 bucket, they are fixing the trans, it is smaller than a FD5 but bigger than a HD4, kind of in the usable range with the price, it is a direct drive as well.

I would consider the PA unit but cost to transport is so high anymore and what I can save I can afford more machine local, do appreciate the thought.


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Friend had IH 125 he ran several years with mixed reviews, then IH dealers here were not the best so he went cat 951B for his work, now that hardly gets used as everything is now excavator work it seems .
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Coke,

I have a opportunity I dare say, may be being dumb but here it is:

Appell Equipment in Galva Il has a FL14B, tracks at 60+%, undercarriage is used but not used up. 135hp, 37,000#, has no teeth on the bucket but 'supposedly' "works dirt well".  They have quoted me $10,500 delivered to our farm in mid Missouri; am I being stupid or did I just fall into a deal?


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would say go for it . as far at theeth on bucket , I have been running woithout them for long time . Have set for my HD5G but I put on a new cutting edge without punching and it works fine, Cant do backdrag landscape work with teeth .
 If your doing farm use you should have years of life in udercarrage, just keep track tension in spec.
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Thanks Coke, I'm a workin' on it!
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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Coke,

I have a opportunity I dare say, may be being dumb but here it is:

Appell Equipment in Galva Il has a FL14B, tracks at 60+%, undercarriage is used but not used up. 135hp, 37,000#, has no teeth on the bucket but 'supposedly' "works dirt well".  They have quoted me $10,500 delivered to our farm in mid Missouri; am I being stupid or did I just fall into a deal?
 I would be going and looking carefully at the machine  and see it worling . Guy on the ACME forum bought a machine from them Supposedly  straight in from  working . He bought in sight unseen  with salesmans  assurances that it would go straight to work . Motor was bad and he was unable to get any  satisfaction from them with the many repairs he had to carry out  before the machine was useable . Be Very Very Wary of them . Ian .
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Thanks Ian, I plan on doing just that, seeing before believing!!
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 Mate , I would not like to see anyone else go through  what Kansas cat went through . Glad to hear your going in with both eyes open .Ian
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Took a little drive yesterday before the snow came, tractor appeared as in the ads, a little rough but not destroyed, started reasonably well but blue smoke until warm another worn but OK with some blowby noted;  looked to running gear, track pads and chains were good at 60+% sprockets did not look so good, pins are worn pretty heavy but still not a stopper; then came the operation, took it out in their yard, slow, painfully slow unless rev the engine high, hydraulics slow almost to non-functional at low rpm.  Then it got warm as I used it pretty hard, the trans in 1st position of the shuttle forward or reverse it almost did not move, slipped terribly, was told it could use a fluid replacement and filters to fix which I doubted; then it stopped altogether, they offered a discount and I said no thanks, they are in process of trying to 'repair' it to usable, had to drag it to the shop. 

Bad day, no sale.

PS, thanks for the heads up Ian


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After hearing horror stories from a used equipment sales manager from a major John Deere/Hitachi dealer about hydraulic issues with excavators,  I came to the conclusion that you look at a hydraulic system with an oil sample before purchase, particularly  if there are suspected problems. Once those systems have metal in them from a faulty pump, it is very difficult to almost impossible to ge them clean. Smart to leave that machine behind.
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Excavators are real expensive for hyd repair as full machine uses common supply it seems annd it might have 2 or 3 pumps and motors on swing and track. Friends JD 690 was going to cost 20,000 to go through hyd , he bought another machine for 17,000 and uses his other one for parts.
 Kobelco excavator i had the coupling was going bad on wheel motor , coupling was only 75 or so but to replace the shaft on motor was 3,800. JB Weld and turn old coupling around so worn end was on drive side instead of worn driven shaft. Down the road.
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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Took a little drive yesterday before the snow came, tractor appeared as in the ads, a little rough but not destroyed, started reasonably well but blue smoke until warm another worn but OK with some blowby noted;  looked to running gear, track pads and chains were good at 60+% sprockets did not look so good, pins are worn pretty heavy but still not a stopper; then came the operation, took it out in their yard, slow, painfully slow unless rev the engine high, hydraulics slow almost to non-functional at low rpm.  Then it got warm as I used it pretty hard, the trans in 1st position of the shuttle forward or reverse it almost did not move, slipped terribly, was told it could use a fluid replacement and filters to fix which I doubted; then it stopped altogether, they offered a discount and I said no thanks, they are in process of trying to 'repair' it to usable, had to drag it to the shop. 

Bad day, no sale.

PS, thanks for the heads up Ian
  Hi Mate ,Well didn't want to run them down  and have you thinking , whats an aussie know about them .. The machine KC bought off them was a cat 613C scraper . When it arrived there was a pool of oil on the trailer floor , From out of the crankshaft seal  ,Blew clouds of smoke that didn't go away when it warmed up .It would blow the oil filler out of his hand w when he undone it with the motor running , None of the brakes worked     The  floor of the bowl  had a big twist in it  . Thats the things i remember off the top of my head . As a small contractor , this dog of a machine almost sunk him .
 
Does not look like their machines or discriptions of them have improved . Good to hear they did not  end up with another unhappy buyer . Good luck with the next machine you look at . Ian .
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It is a nice way you discribed a dealer who has equipment they are jockeying,
 Reminds me of definition of Navy Enlisted man, as in old Officers manual.
Enlisted regular Navy: A shifty, crafty individual who bears watching at all times.
 
 Had my AC715B TLB worked on at New Holland dealer (Carlson Tractor , Rosemount MN)
As the fwd./rev. box was slipping I had them rebuild it as I needed it quick. Day after dropping it off they call and say they have it out but no manual, So I bring them my shop manuals. Anyway by the time they got it done 40 hours labor, and 9 days without machine, and i had furnished a new clutch pack i had in stock (all parts were mine) Bill came to over $4,000 for what flat rate book calls for 17 hours labor. They said 40 hours labor and were giving me a deal.  They had hired a new mechanic and it was his first job on any tractor, they even charged me for rental of transmission jack and the time to go pick it up at rental shop by parts runner.
  Well after heated discussion I lost / paid and left with machine.. Unit failed 30 hours of use later... No recourse and have not been back there since and give Carlson a 0 in honesty 0 in customer relations 0 in every other thing to with equipment. 


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Here is one that is local to me that has been on craigslist for awhile.   Might be bigger and further then what you wanted but the price is right and even with shipping, you would be under what you were going to spend on the other one.   This person has had it for sale for most of the summer and fall.   If you need someone close by to look at it, it's about a 45 minutes west of me.   Here is the link:
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I bid on an 11 yesterday but let it go at $3050.  It was originally owned by the city of Denver and they had put a cab on it.  It started and ran well, strong hydrolics and ran forward and reverse just fine.  The tracks and undercarrage were in good shape also.  It was just too big for me, I don't have a trailer heavy enough to haul it and would have to spend a few hundred $ to get it home.  It did blow a little oil out the exhaust but so what for 3 grand.  They are out there.
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I have another post on the shops/barns section; seems the sister in law wife of my brother in law(wife's brother) decided to take a vengeance as to my putting MY MONEY and MY time and MY machines to work on "THEIR" farm even as I am a 1/4 owner.  She's been at me the better part of 4 years as to my spending my money on upgrades and improvements, cannot get over the last b_____h session so I am out of there for now.  Looking to get me and the wife our own place, have our own deed and leave the crap & this ground to the relatives.  So for now the expenses as to buying a loader are parked in the bank, and setting up a down for our next potential home/farm/hobby/whatever.

So far I have a bank of knowledge filling in the gaps I will have when we do get something else to work with.
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dont buy one that is too small,

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