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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8447 |
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Or, something close. Called the Tilmor tractor
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Jim Hancock ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: EL Reno, Ok. Points: 1112 |
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Interesting!
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How blessed we are by HIS GRACE!
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11925 |
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The advertisement says parts for the Allis G are getting very difficult to find. That's because they don't come to this forum to purchase parts for their G. They need to git' their S*#* together! LOL! Not only do the members here have parts we sell on here for a G, we sell a whole darn G to if they want!
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8447 |
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x2! All sales gimmicks
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BEK ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 2017 Location: Wilmington, NC Points: 216 |
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I wonder what makes the Tilmor so heavy? More than double the weight of the G.
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AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5126 |
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It sure isn’t cool looking like the G is. Just like all the other modern tractors out there. I will take simplicity and durability over electronics any day. How many of those new tractors of any brand will be around in 50 plus years?
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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JoeM(GA) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Cumming,GA Points: 4754 |
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"Target Price Range: $15,000 - $20,000 depending on engine and options selected"
I believe that right there will kill most sales |
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Allis Express North Georgia
41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Based on my experiences with an 8N plowing and moving snow 22 hp in the weight of an AC G would cause the drive tires to do more tillage than propulsion, e.g. spinning under load.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8447 |
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You could buy a whole bunch of G's and their "hard to find" parts for $20,000!
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24336 |
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It reminds me of the guys a bit north of me trying to make/sell electric riding lawn tractors. They sunk a HUGE pile of cash into it, only made 2 or 3, sold 1. Their price was similar.Actually I could buy 2 or 3 gas riders for their price !
I told the guy, you should have contacted me earlier( he called about the electronics...) as I'd already figured out the ONLY way to make an electric rider is to take a gas one and modify. Heck even me doing that was less than 1/2 their selling price ! Seems Cub Cadet have an electric..so I've been told... For the 15K, I'd expect a hydrostatic tractor. Yeesh 22HP..ANY rider has that these days. As for ground speed, use a 'bull gear' setup, eezy-peezy. The trick with reinventing the mousetrap is to use regular,available parts and 'open' features than can capture a BIG portion of the market,FAST before the guy next door does. yeesh.I just checked their G toolbar $$$ !!! Yikes. $145 for the adapters, $140 for the bar. I got 2, 8' bars sitting here 1/4" thick collecting dust. Too dang heavy for trailer frame.Be nice if they found a 'good home' before they find my toes... Edited by jaybmiller - 14 Dec 2017 at 6:25am |
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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cpg ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 10 Jul 2015 Location: Michigan Points: 246 |
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They should have literally made a copy of the G with some new features with hydraulic lift if that's what they wanted rather than making it more expensive with a re-design and coming up with something close that weighs twice as much and is the ugliest thing ever made.
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Gary Burnett ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Points: 3008 |
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I like my Hines H-1600 better looks like a G but has better hydraulics,two Cat 0 3pt
hitches, 16HP and is hydrastatic drive.Plus I got it and a parts tractor for a little over a thousand$. |
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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For that price I want air conditioning and it painted orange.
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC
1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
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Lon(MN) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Merrill Wi Points: 2000 |
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I have a 2018 truck and I am comparing it to a 1950 truck. Interesting marketing.
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11925 |
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I have a restored G sitting here for sale with a brand new engine with no hours for 11K less! 12V and some custom add-ons to boot! LOL!
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8447 |
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Thinking about this Tilmor thing, trying to re-invent the G....I saw advertised once a company that made a modern-day small pull type combine somewhat similar to an All-Crop 72, only a straight through machine, and it cost about $10-15,000 as well. I thought, "Wow! I could go buy 15 or 20 All-Crops for that much!!!"
As far as a more feasible reproduction goes, it seems the "Oggun" (O-goon, I think is how you say it) is better. Smaller, looks more like a G, uses common off-the-shelf parts, but is still priced about $12,000. A friend of mine has a "Tuff-Bilt" tractor, and he let me run it a little bit once. I like the hydrostatic transmission. It reminded me so much of sitting on my G, yet I didn't have to shift gears! It was a decent little tractor, but I could tell it was still built quite a bit lighter than my G.
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HoughMade ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2017 Location: Valparaiso, IN Points: 706 |
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This isn't quite that, but its close. They even call it "a modern version of the Allis Chalmers G". [TUBE]sNXD4Iu6fcE[/TUBE]
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1951 B
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18923 |
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I'd go buy a few A-C G's for that kind of money!! They are still gonna be around in another 70 years....
What happens when their electronics gets wet? Or full of dirt? You could buy Steve's G and get somebody to craft some quality upgrades to it and still have money left over!! I got a dumb question guys,,,,,,,just how strong can a "standard fold down" roll bar be?? |
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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8447 |
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I've wondered that myself as well, Ted. Seems they wouldn't be that sturdy in a roll over, but maybe I'm wrong.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53254 |
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Not many veggies bein farmed on steep hills...
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53254 |
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A little more on the Oggun... [TUBE]IrnjKQRQP3g[/TUBE]
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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If I were looking for a good dependable new tractor, I'd probably go with the Oggun, first because it's simple and off the shelf parts, second, because of the mid and rear 3 point hitch. This is only if I needed a tractor that worked every day all summer. Of course it would have to be painted orange! That other tractor won't be available until early 2019, if it comes out at all.
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53254 |
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'Nother one popped up:
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24336 |
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I never have nor will understand ROPS. Needed by LAW on all new tractors, NOT required on ANY ATV. So... if I get killed rolling over a tractor, my widow can sue the tractor mfr because teh ROPS is 'foldable' but when I get killed in an ATV rollover she can't sue ??
As for the G look-a-likes, I can see buying new..anyone fall over the cost of sleeving a G engine ! Sure there's lots around ( I had 3),but I'll lay odds a true restored G would be close to a new 'clone'. I just had a quick look at the oggun, interesting story behind it. the use of 3pt is great opens HUGE market...and price for their implements is AFFORDABLE. That goes a long way to making sales. Edited by jaybmiller - 16 Dec 2017 at 6:48am |
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53254 |
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oggun has 19 HP, ant a butt load of hydraulics, might be hydrostat, too...
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