![]() |
This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity. | |||||
The Forum | Parts and Services | Unofficial Allis Store | Tractor Shows | Serial Numbers | History |
Allis-Chalmers One-Ninety diesel |
Post Reply ![]() |
Author | |
Randy_Larson ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Location: NW Wisconsin Points: 715 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 1:29pm |
The Allis-Chalmers One-Ninety diesel, remained in production through January of 1973 with 23 units being built...serial numbers 31118 - 31140
Happy New Year to Everyone! |
|
G,D10,D12,D14,D15,D17gas,D17 diesel,D19 Diesel, D21 Series II,160,190, B1,Bumble Bee 10,B1,HB 212,ACC 30 forklift and snap-coupler equipment
|
|
![]() |
|
Sponsored Links | |
![]() |
|
DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8320 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
They are awesome machines!
|
|
![]() |
|
shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
some scumbag on you tube listed the 190 as one of the 10 worst tractors built. I think he's been put in his place by lots of other people! dumb a$$
|
|
![]() |
|
JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Probably a green guy who wouldn't know a good tractor if it bit him! (what name did you use bashing the 190?)
|
|
"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
Allis Express participant |
|
![]() |
|
darrel in ND ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8711 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I guess that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it damn sure doesn't agree with my opinion. Darrel |
|
![]() |
|
DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21751 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I saw that Top Ten ranking too. The Author listed the 190XT as bad due to a poor ride and hydraulic leaks. I don't know what to say to someone like that. They are NOT known for either of those things. Just simply not true. He is an internet prowler and this is where he said he gets his information.
|
|
![]() |
|
JayIN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Location: SE/IN Points: 1982 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I saw it too. The guy is an idiot.
|
|
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
|
|
![]() |
|
AC7060IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3516 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I watched it too. And thought the same. Besides the 190, they also listed a IH 560. Having grown up operating a farmall M, a 560 seemed terrific.
|
|
![]() |
|
DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21751 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The IH 560 actually did have some serious rear end troubles that cost IH millions to fix. That is a historical fact. The important thing is this....THEY FIXED THEM at no cost to the Customer. A-C had even more serious issues with the mighty 190 XT's and they spent millions fixing them too. The moron that posted that " worst tractor" video is so ignorant he doesn't get the facts straight. He listed the 2010 Deere as a bad one. That was true, but his reasons weren't exactly true on it either. The engines on a 2010 were a piece of crap and Deere never redesigned them. They just quit making that model of tractor. The 2000 series MF tractor should have been listed but were not mentioned. The 4520 Deere also should have been a contender. The Ford Commander 6000 was #1 the worst and that was probably a good choice.
|
|
![]() |
|
Gary Burnett ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Points: 3062 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I owned a Ford 6000 Commander for about 5 years mostly baled hay with it couldn't have asked for a better tractor,got an offer for it that was really good so i sold it.A lot of tractors got a bad name because they were abused by the operators and over weighted, fuel turned up etc. |
|
![]() |
|
AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5207 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I haven’t seen the video, only just what I read here. Being a 190XT owner, I have been very pleased with the XT’s performance. It’s done everything I expected and more. So, everyone has an opinion, just some don’t hold much weight with me. Unless you own one or use one regularly to know of its performance, then your opinion doesn’t mean squat. What an idiot is correct.
|
|
1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
|
|
![]() |
|
JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34289 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I haven't seen the vid either, but lot of these internet gents are just geldings that neigh... and did not even live through that era of the modern horses. The JD 4010 threw lot of rods thru the block on JD's first run of them, look in the Sunday ads and see "hole in block"... But as time went by, didn't see that as often... 4020 was nill. Them Fords were a different story, specially the select-O-speeds... They were put on the assembly line before the bugs were worked out of them... Got a little 900 with it and that was the worst of them as I understood... and that bugger had been used so far that the pto splines are almost nonexsistance... along with--tranny problems. ![]() McCormick Deerings had their problems when they went to diesels, cracking heads was one of them... and you had to cool them down for several minutes before shutting them off... I thought I found the reason why they cracked, an origional book said to switch them to gas and let them run for couple minutes that way before shutting down and nobody did... Talked to old timer and he said the engines ran cooler on diesel and less breakage happened and no warped valves when shutting them off on diesel, just cool them down first... all the way up to the 450/650's... and then McD came out with the direct injected engines and fellows were turning them up and rear ends and ta's were causing troubles... of course, usually in the ones that got turned up. Two neighbors had 560's and one had the gas, and the other a diesel... Fellow with the diesel would pull the jd 4-14 plow all day long and be rolling smoke but was moving right along too. The other fellow decided to burrow the 4-14 plow and hooked on with his 560 gas. He pulled into a sod field and opened up the throttle and dropped the plow and promptly killed it. shifted down a gear and tried it again and again and finally could pull the plow down hill in first gear... but could not pull the plow up the hill. Plowed that whole field going down hill. ![]() Allis had a few issues/problems, they were designing tractors to use less oil, and be lighter with higher hp... but when the fluids in the tires and weights were hung on, the oil wore out faster and should have been changed far more often than they were... Some of them old tractors only got added to. The D series seemed to have a greater amount of tranny/rearend troubles than what others had, but if you kept the oils changed and did not reef on the shift stick and drop clutches and pull the holy snot out of them, they would last. and along came the first series of the 190XT with the small axels and they would break or snap... and the differential would shell out too and tranny troubles... Bought one of those rebuilt light axels where they could not put in the bigger axel but onl the harden axel... Bought it back in 1976 and 40+ years later and shifted millions of times and two injection pump rebuilds and one turbo, the tractor still being used for round baling... though the high range now slips when in fourth going up a hill, and just starting to jump out of fourth gear last year. It has been a good tractor. Lot of tractors will show what kind of care had been given to them over the years... I know of a 1066 that looks like new from always being sheded, yet it has had the engine rebuilt 2 times from electrolysis cavitation on the sleeves. It was the main tractor on the 760 acre farm since about 1972 until the fellow retired and rented his land out. It is always ready to start for the owner now 90 years old. Before that, he had a GIV Moline as his main tractor for about 11 years prior, bought in 1961, and was sold in 2011, still looking in great shape with origional paint. Makes a big difference on how they are cared for by the owner.
|
|
He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
|
![]() |
|
Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3691 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I agree with Mr. Burnett on the abuse part of it...I've got a brother that knows how to treat a tractor like chit! He could tear up a chunk of steel!
|
|
![]() |
|
tbran ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3512 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
the last units - were built after the 200 went on the line in 1972 - they were high clear units shipped to La. - per my sales mgr. Felix Patterson.. They were not going to build the 200 in a high crop so he got orders and they built the 190XT Series III High Crop to fill the orders.
|
|
When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..
|
|
![]() |
|
Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8695 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Tom what was different other then the high crop and decals.
|
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
|
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |