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Posted: 23 Jul 2013 at 9:53pm |
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I'm looking at a HD 11. Not sure of the year. Wonder if you guys know the weight of the blade and hydraulics. Also might have a Hyster winch (I'm looking at two different ones). Tx.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 12:34pm |
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Older HD11 with standard shift would be in the 26-28000 pound range with bulldozer and hydraulics, newer power shift would be 30-32000 range, approximately. Add 3000 pounds for towing winch and cable (guessing).
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Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 1:55pm |
 Lazyts wrote:
Older HD11 with standard shift would be in the 26-28000 pound range with bulldozer and hydraulics, newer power shift would be 30-32000 range, approximately. Add 3000 pounds for towing winch and cable (guessing).
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Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 2:35pm |
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winch weight is pretty spot on, must be a late 11B to have a hyster winch, 99% would have had carco ones on them. Well was down this end of world, some of the last 11Bs in NZ came with Hyster W6E winchs.
Previous "D" series winchs were only made for caterpillars.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 3:16pm |
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Merv and Lazy, your figures sound a lot more accurate than tractordata and such. They just describe specs for the early HD-11's, around 22,000, I believe. The 11's I'm looking at are much later models and should have the heavier weight and more power. My preference is a 16b, but they're kind of pricey for a work toy.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 8:33pm |
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weights from spec sheets
HD11B; operating HS blade and drawbar 29914 lb
rops canopy 1400 lb
W6E winch 2140 lbs; plus any cable
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Posted: 25 Jul 2013 at 2:06pm |
It all get's a little confusing without a geneology chart!  But at 28-30,ooo lbs, I can look for 150 hp and do all I need with that, and there's plenty of donor machines around here. Thanks for the help.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2013 at 4:32pm |
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Well I've narrowed it down . It will be a HD-11b manual model with 6 Buda and no winch. I'll send some pics when I get it to the farm.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2013 at 8:24pm |
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Info I put up was for a 11 series B, it and a old buda powered HD11B are miles apart.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2013 at 9:19pm |
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Did you get the one Mike Smith had for sale in Salem Corey??
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Posted: 28 Jul 2013 at 11:15pm |
Well, Merv, As I said, I need a geneology chart  It's OK, this machine will do nicely. DMiller, it's actually on the Springfield CL in Lebanon, the one with the "stuck" motor. As I mentioned before,, there are several HD10's (old ones with the overhead blade frame) and a pretty decent HD6G for 2500 each in this area. I was also looking at a couple of big cable cats, but any cat you can buy under 10 G's is just beat to death, and a good 16 AC can run circles around them. BTW, on those linkages, I have the de-cell pedal already, mine was crudely converted to direct throttle by someone when the speed governor was bypassed. So I need the rod from pedal to bellcrank, bellcrank and whatever goes from there to the 'jector pump. What'd you use to lift the shovel frame off the donor 7? How much did it weigh?
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Posted: 28 Jul 2013 at 11:18pm |
HD6 Merv wrote:
Info I put up was for a 11 series B, it and a old buda powered HD11B are miles apart. |
So, Merv, are you talking about the 11 series in the FA era? (or near it)
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Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 5:32am |
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Hi Corey,
I have most everything except in the instrument panel area as to throttle, as for the shovel arms the 180 wouldn't pick the yoke so I used my other 7G. As best memory serves 1 sq. foot of 1 1/4" plate was 50#, the arms are between 1.25 and 1.5" thick by around 10 wide in so every 14" would be 50# to 65#. There are gussets welded so extra weight along the sides and the reinforcements to the shovel pivots etc. so I am guessing at around 2-2500# maybe up to 3000. The length would have been why the 180 wouldn't pick the yoke, too much weight too far out.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 10:57am |
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Merv was referring to Allis Chalmers HD11 Series B, also called the 11-B after Fiat-Allis merger. (last of HD11 line) These machines have 25L or 16C serial numbers. Old Buda (prior to direct injection) will have serial number like this: HD11Bxxxx.
Direct injection HD11 came out around 1962 (10000 series engine).
Old 11s: (prior to serial number 10000) Wet clutch after 1961 or so...
HD11B- 6 roller track frame, probably 26000 pounds with dozer
HD11E- 7 roller track frame, 27000 pounds
HD11ES- 7 roller track frame, light guarding for farming
HD11F- 8 roller track frame, for side boom (rigid track frame mount at front)
HD11S- 6 roller track frame, light guarding for farm application
HD11G- 8 roller track frame, loader model
After serial number 10000:
HD11B- 7 roller track frame, wet main clutch, dry steering clutches (till late 60s, probably until AG came out- this model kept old-style lighter track components)
HD11E- 6 roller track frame, wet clutch, steering clutches and brakes
HD11EP- 6 roller track frame, power shift
HD11AG- 6 roller track frame, light guarding for farming
HD11 Series B (serial number 16000-up, 1971)
25L- power shift
16C- direct drive
Renamed 11-B (Fiat Allis) after about serial number 18000
' Yer basic chronology
Fuel systems:
American Bosch, 1955-1968
Roosa Master, 1968-1971
Bosch (Germany) 1971-1975
Roosa Master, 1975-1976
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Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 11:32am |
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Yep, the one I was looking at was a side injection type. Thanks for the Allisology.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 12:30pm |
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I forgot the HD11EC- standard transmission (3x3) with clutch and torque converter, manufactured 1962-1967 or so. This transmission was similar to the 6x3, but had no high-low shift. There was a torque converter behind the clutch for "stall free" operation. Some guys liked them for the 3 speed transmission, which the power shift model didn't have.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 2:58pm |
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That's pretty much it; only thing I,ll add is original HD11B in 1955 starts at s/n 101. direct injection motor starts 6427 [Buda prior]
wet s/clutch brake and powershift [EP] 10000 up; the biggest change; and the series B 16000 up. production stopped somewhere around 1978, serial numbers go to at least 20000, maybe a bit more.
you can 'age' most makes and models by there serial number. AC Cat IH. plus is always improvements to them as time goes on.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 3:05pm |
Any how cory; pic says a thousand words  Early HD11B/E were quite good machines for there time, much better than a TD14A or 15, and as good or better than a D6 9U, 9u was a excellent reliable crawler; but HD11 had more balls due to lower 1+2 gears and was push button start  and was up and working before the other 2 got going in the morning
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Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 5:41pm |
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Well Merv, for posterity, it's on the Springfield, Missouri (USA) ha Craigslist under "few local results found....". It's not a bad looking machine. Also there is the hd6g running crawler in Kansas City CL for 2500$. I think that's probably the best deal around.I think, however, I'm going to look for an excavator for logging and stumping and ponding. My 7G will be a decent grader after I get a little better at running it. Thanks for the help, boys.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2013 at 7:47am |
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It has been for sale for a long time, years to my memory, but a Mike Smith in Salem MO has a couple of FA units and some older smaller cats. The FAs' are a 11B(74 era) and a 14C. Wants 18500 for the 11 and 24500 for the 14, both are in pretty decent shape for age. He had bought a dealers parts inventory out for his excavating business as FA died here, had been buying old MO state units on the cheap for years and at one time had quite a stable of machines, now down to these.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2013 at 1:06pm |
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A change came at engine serial number 11-18999 (in crawler tractors)- the change from deep cup to shallow cup pistons in the 11000 engine.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2013 at 9:12pm |
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Did that change coincide with one of the fuel system changes Trev?
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Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 1:09pm |
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The piston change coincided with an injection nozzle/holder change, prior to the change from Bosch to Roosa Master in the series B tractor. Not sure of year or tractor serial number, probably 1973 or around there.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 1:12pm |
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Series B tractors:
16000-18798, Bosch pump 11000
18799-19334, RM pump 11000
19335-up, RM pump, 11000 MK2
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Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 2:55pm |
Well it's not a bad looking machine from here, but 3500 with unknown motor? I'd probably jump in at 2500, being the fool I am and having excellent kharma with mechanical beings. Now, I have excavator fever, and will spend weeks agonizing over them till I find a diamond in the rough. Obsessive-compulsive is expensive when you like big tractors! 
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