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eodcoduto 
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 Topic: Allis G for a mower?Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 4:45pm |
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I have crept on here quite a bit but this is my first real question. I am retiring from the Marine Corps in four months and moving to northwest Alabama and starting a small grass based farm. The bad part is the place has about an acre of grass to mow spread over the driveway, ditches along the road, and the lawn. I personally hate lawns and spending any time or money on something that doesn't give me anything back, so I want to mow it as fast as possible. A zero turn is the answer, but I also don't like having a piece of equipment that only does one thing.
So I was thinking of a G with a belly mower, I get a tractor that I can do multiple things with, they are cheaper than a zero turn and I am an Allis guy at heart. I grew up in Nebraska on a row crop farm with an XT, 7030, 2 7040's, 7080, and a 7580 plus a few others thrown in from time to time. Do any of you belly mow a yard with yours or know what the finish looks like, and how fast are you able to mow? All advice is appreciated! Gage |
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DiyDave
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:26pm |
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A G is only about 10 HP, so its not really much of a mower tractor. What it does really well is to cultivate/plant vegetable gardens, really well. Get an AC lawnmower for mowing, even a 10 hp one will get the grass cut better and faster than the G... JMHO
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ac fleet
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:27pm |
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A friend of mine had one and was disappointed with it for mowing,---no power to run the mower in tall grass, worked fair in short thin stuff. Bout like a cub no power and gears are too fast to do any real work.
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Dusty MI
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 6:15pm |
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We lived on one acer for over 40 years. Over 7 years we mover to a larger place, and now I have more than 3-4 acres to mow, it's a guess because nothing is square, every thing has a curve in it.
Anyway I bought a 61" Simplicity Zero turn, and it only takes me maybe 25% longer to that 3-4 acres as it did to mow the 1 acer, I was using a 48" 917 h Allis garden tractor. Dusty
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:08pm |
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'one tractor - does all' ---- not here.... an acre of grass, only needs a 1/2 decent 'dedicated' rider, it ONLY cuts grass. the 'real' tractor can be used to plow,till, etc. What I've found,as the years creep up, is that changing implements, especially mower decks, is ,well, a pain in the (gr)ass. It's cheaper and easier to have 'dedicated' machines. Maybe if you're young and fit AND have the time the 'all-in-one' MIGHT work for you. I'm not young, or fit and time is passing faster, the older I get. |
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 9:32am |
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A G is underpowered even for the 48" belly mower that will fit under it. Once you put a deck on it it's useless for anything else. And the deck is a difficult job to remove and install. I mowed my 3 acres in upper Michigan for 6 years with a box store riding mower. It was easy enough to use my wife would mow when I wasn't there. Kept the tractor free to do other stuff. Zero turn will be faster And you won't be needing it for anything else. However one of the front deck JDs with a cab makes a heck of a snow blower.
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eodcoduto
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 11:24am |
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Thanks for the input! I will look in a different direction for a mower, I still want a G though because I think they are awesome for what they do. My dad has a '37 WC that I might need to pick up as well next time I go back to Nebraska.
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john(MI)
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 1:43pm |
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Excuse me, just out of curiosity, if you don't mind, what does your handle mean? My AC 5020 with a belly mower cut my 3 acres in reasonable time. I didn't care for the finish cause I have lots of slopes and it looked like the deck would lean. I also did it with my D14 and a 6' woods 3 point finish mower. I started out with a Case 446 Hi Drive with a 48" deck, but it took too long. I am now using a Simplicity 60" zero turn. It isn't any faster than any of the above, and I hate having a dedicated machine that only does one thing, but everybody swore by them. Being older, I now have a machine dedicated to snow too, and three others I can do what I want with!
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D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
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Ted J
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 2:49pm |
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If it were me, I'd save a LOT of money on a zero turn and spend it on getting a CA with a mower deck. Sounds like you could get by with a CA w/ L59, but if one comes available with a L306, go for it. The L59 is a 5 foot wide mower deck and the L306 is 6 feet wide. You WILL NOT be taking this mower deck on and off. It is doable, but I would leave it on there just as what it is, a lawn/weed mower. I currently have 3 of them and one isn't working so well. ONE of my plans for fixing this summer.
Now, you have only spent anywhere from $1000 to $2500 (or more, depending on shape) for that one tractor and mower deck. Now go out and buy another tractor, say a WD or WD45 or whatever you can find for the rest of your 'work'. A LOT of money saved and these two will out last the next 20 zero turns you buy. You could even get a B or C tractor with a belly mower also, but you lose the full time PTO with them. You have no hand clutch to disengage the engine from travel. It's doable also, but I didn't like mine that way, simply because of the hand clutch. I hope this helps..... It all depends on how much you are going to cut and how much you are going to farm. |
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eodcoduto
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 2:53pm |
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I'm an Explosive Ordnance Disposal technician (EOD) and Coduto is my last name. I'm not very creative and I've used it for forums for some time.
We are going to be farming grass fed beef and other animals, so going from my youth of full row crop and equipment dependence, to not even needing a tractor is still hard for my brain to process. The place has a Kubota 3240 with a loader and bush hog so that covers my tractor duties, but the lawn is another thing and I tend to be sucked in by good deals with spares in case something breaks. My wife said spend the money and get what we need that will start everytime we need it. I can't handle that responsibility!
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Dave(inMA)
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 3:18pm |
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eod, if you've got a wife who says THAT, go get a zero turn to mow that lawn!! And give her a big hug after you've bought it.
 Dave
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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PaulB
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 3:47pm |
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Get a CA, 3 times the tractor at half the cost. Parts and anything else for a G is pricey, compared to anything else. A CA will easily handle a 6' woods mower for grass, Has "live PTO and hydraulics". Can be had with a "snap-coupler" or pin type hitch to pull a plow, disc or and number of other implements. And it still feels like a small tractor. If you really don't like cutting grass, get sheep. But be careful about stepping in the exhaust
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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john(MI)
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Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 1:36am |
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Get a Woods or similar brand 6' finish mower to pull behind the Kubota. Mine was easy enough to hook up and take off. Now they make a rear discharge mower that is really sweet. Don't get fooled by the price of other 3 point mowers, they ain't as durable as the Woods. That tractor is a perfect fit for a 6' mower. You don't have to worry about another engine to have to work on either.
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D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 6:11am |
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re: My wife said spend the money and get what we need that will start everytime we need it. I just noticed the 'we'..... hmmm, sounds like after you buy a new zeroturn, she, aka 'we' , will be cutting the grass so you'll have free time for 'tractoring duties'..... |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 6:18am |
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As others said G is totally under powered for a mower,even under powered for cultivating in my red clay land.I have a King Kutter finish mower I bought about 20 years ago,replaced the belt once and have kept it greased no other work on it and its still going strong.Neighbor bought a Zero turn to replace his finish mower after a year or so he's back to the finish mower behind his compact Ford.
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eodcoduto
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Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 9:34am |
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I have been thinking of a finish mower, I need to look at the property again to see if I can get the ditches with it and if the 3240 is too much weight for the lawn.
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Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 8:53pm |
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A few years ago i found a G with mower deck, that was used in a small cemetery for like ever...if it wasnt any good for mowing they wouldnt of been using it all this time.
Its a early 2 digit it just mowed is all. I was done with the home depot/lowes knock off riding tractors...briggs and kohler toys.zero turn? What kind of toy motor ? Pricey! Real green ? Awful pricey... The G is built hell for stout! And yea if you think the G 10hp is like a briggs or Kohler 10 hp well then your mistaken. That connie has about 4 times the torque! And yea i have been on a few long in the tooth, example wore out low compression or gov all messed up. I have a blast on my G ! Its extremely manueverable ! And if you keep those 2 blades sharp and dont mow the gravel pit they wont need sharpening..just look at the blades and the mower deck bearing INDUSTRIAl...not a toy. And they dont use much gas, and they have a granny gear. And i use mine like a Tug ! Its either pullin or pushin .And...what do you think that zero turn or lowes home depot knock off will be worth in 10 to 20 years? I bet a bit less than a G...giggle. |
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Gatz in NE
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Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 9:41pm |
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Coduto, Thank you for your service
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