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    Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 1:29pm
I am new to the forum.  My Grandfather was devoted to Allis Chalmer tractors, and I have had a Big10 tractor.  Lately, I have been looking at the Allis Chalmers G tractor for a foreign mission.  If we did the electric conversion for the Allis G, we wouldn't need the original engine.  Can someone give me a price range for a complete original engine running or not running?
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I'm sure you'll get anything from $50 to $500. The G engine doesn't have sleeves so rebuilding them can cost a lot, especially if you decied to have sleeves put in. Running will always fetch more money for obvious reasons,like the starter works, the genny is OK, no blue smoke ,etc. I've had 3 , came real close to going electric but the cost is insane ! I bought 2 Gs for less than 'electrification'. Decided a small 'offshore' 10HP diesel was the way to go,made up the adapter and stuff then ,well, lost interest...
Electric Gs have their share of problems. Batteries are a challenge. Most conversions are 48 volt(aka Golfcart ) versions as that stuff is readily available but...spare parts in a foreign land?? Recharging and battery life( in use and sitting) are big issues to 'do your homework' on.
just points to ponder.
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Thank you for those points! I am just starting to consider the idea, and that was really helpful.
Do you have a back of the envelope estimate for an electric conversion?  I don't think labor will be an expense for us, and I notice the parts (no motor or battery) run about $600. 
If we kept it as a gas tractor, is the old engine dependable?
The tractor would be going to a rural setting that has diesel and electricity.  They don't have running water, and gas is available if you are willing to travel.  Their optimal farming setup is about an acre of vegetables or pineapples.  The mission is running a rural coop, and we hoped the tractor could work on multiple small farms.  There is a large city about an hour away that can source most repair parts for an electric engine.
Can you point me towards a source talking about the maintenance issues of a battery powered G?
Thanks in advance.
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The G engine is a Continental N62 fairly conservatively designed and seems to have decent life. I have a G shop manual on line at:
http://geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees/Allis-Chalmers-G-B-C-CA-Service.pdf
And G implement manuals:
http://geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees/Model%20G%20Implement%20Setup%20(TM-3)%20PART%201.pdf
http://geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees/Model%20G%20Implement%20Setup%20(TM-3)%20PART%202.pdf

A similar N62 was used in another brand of tractor but the blocks don't interchange.

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try  'googling electric G' you should get  lots of hits as it's a popular conversion. The problems with batteries are 1) initial cost of GOOD quality, HIGH current batteries, yypically 4 identical units. 2) maintenance, weekly if not daily checking of battery electroyte level and charge 3) run time. the bigger(higher amphr rating) the longer they'll run BUT they need a proper charger to get good life out of them. Deep cycle batteries NOT regular car batteries should be used. Think batteries from electric tow motors NOT golf carts for long(6-10 hour) use then remember what you use, you have to replace ! That WILL take a long time and big chargers cost big bucks.
It's one of those 'do your homework' projects, the more you learn the better the choice you can make. You need to consider spare parts and delivery times, also 'options' like maybe 4 walkbehind rototillers instead of one tractor ?
A good gas G engine will probably outlive you and your kids, as long as it gets clean gas, regular oil changes and air filter cleaned.It's already 50-60 years old, something to consider.
Given the choice between electric or diesel, I'd go diesel. Cheaper to buy TWO 10hp engines, install one, other is a 'shelf spare' than a set of batteries and charger. First I'd check the engine though. Do a compression test, is say 125# all across, it's a good tight engine should be reliable. I would however convert to 12 volt battery and small(Denso) alternator. You'll benefit from easier starting, better battery, easy to jump start, easy to add 12v lights(LEDs) and an electric winch. Regular maintence is the key to have any machine be reliable.
Grab a piece of paper, make 3 columns gas-diesel-electric and write down the pros and cons for each,get as much info as you can, ask LOTS of questions,wait a week, then revisit the list and there is no 'right' answer,it's whatever works best for you.
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Oh geez...hearing the G costs a lot to rebuild, AND doesn't have sleeves doesn't make me feel very good...Good thing mine runs good yet! 
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Go to Farmshow Magazine, and search the topic of G engine re-powering. Guy uses Kubota diesels to re-power.  I think he sells kits, or re-powered tractors, he might be located in MO, IIRR...

Turning a gas powered G into a coal powered 'lectric is way pricey, and to go solar, even more so, and them birkenstock sandals, is just plain fugly, not to mention they costs a stupid fortune, too!Wink

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Thank you everyone.  This is a great forum.  
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You can actually get sleeves for them but need to have a REAL engine machine shop mill the block to install them. When I checked sleeves were maybe $40 each,it was the shop time that made me gulp !! I don't know how bad the block wears but know you can't just toss in oversized rings to compensate, you need bigger pistons and correct rings to have the correct gaps.
My choices would be good running gas(already a complete tractor), diesel mod(fairly easy), then electric( biggest $$$).
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@diydave
Are you talking abou this article?

I would like to see a repower.  This guy is doing something interesting by building tractors from scratch, and like the G, they have midmount implements.  The tractor has a midmount and rear Cat 1 3pt with a Kubota Diesel.
Here is the competitor with Cat 0 3pts.

With price tags at $12k+, a refurbished G looks like a bargain.

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Originally posted by jellyghost jellyghost wrote:

@diydave
Are you talking abou this article?

I would like to see a repower.  This guy is doing something interesting by building tractors from scratch, and like the G, they have midmount implements.  The tractor has a midmount and rear Cat 1 3pt with a Kubota Diesel.
Here is the competitor with Cat 0 3pts.

With price tags at $12k+, a refurbished G looks like a bargain.


No, the one I remember was about a guy who put kubota engines on a G...

THe oggun has been discussed here, a couple times.

Problem with the farmshow site is that it only gives you 3 tries at searching. let me try something, back in a second...

Googled it:


Still can't find the story about the kubota re-power...Unhappy


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One potential problem with repowering with say a 22HP engine is the increased available torque that could damage 'stuff' like the axle shafts. Having more power may lead the operator to 'give it' and oopsy, it broke.
The factory fresh G engine was about 10HP,something to remember. Also if an electric conversion is done, it's simple to monitor actual torque and 'dial back' power to not break 'stuff'.

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My opinion in the long run would be to rebuild the G Continental engine. With todays modern motor oils and the care it would get, it would probably be in service a loooong time. I have one for sale with a brand new engine, with no hours on it, a lot of new parts such as brakes, Distributor, seals new paint job etc. Drop me a PM if interested.  
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