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Sugarmaker 
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 Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 7:38am |
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Thanks! Yes this is cork. It is just out of shape a little. It will be fine when I get it tacked down with some gasket adhesive to the valve cover.
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Chris
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Snowman
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 8:14am |
Chris, Yes she drives up on the ramps, leave your forks on, the extra weight up front helps for traction. 69? can't even remember when I was 69. Happy Birthday Ed
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DonBC
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 12:37pm |
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I saw a neat trick on a Jeep web site where they used a few plastic inserts for holding screws in dry wall in a few bolt holes to hold the gasket in place while replacing the valve cover. After the cover is in place, start a few bolts and then remove the plastic inserts.
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 1:07pm |
Happy Birthday Chris! I hope you got some cake and ice cream to go with those lovely cookies from the other day (maybe they're all gone by now). You're really making progress with your project! 
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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Eric B
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 1:12pm |
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Ed, the pictures of your CLEAN forklift are like medicine to me... it's almost like entering the world of imagination, to make old iron clean like that is no easy accomplishment but makes one feel so so good to look at!!!!! Thank you!!
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 2:26pm |
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Hope you had a great Birthday Chris, you will get that fork lift running like new yet
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 2:26pm |
Eric, Ed's fork lift cleanliness is a real issue, every time I look at my dirty one! Took my grill off, blew out the dust and debris in the rad fins. Drained the radiator.
Rerouted the hose that used to go through the propane regulator it was too close to the exhaust manifold.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 2:54pm |
Guys, Thanks on the old thing! Keeps happening each year about this time!  Regards, Chris
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Snowman
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 2:59pm |
Thanks Chris. Well here is some more motivation. Since I put so much money into this thing in the last couple of weeks, decided I better start with some paint work. Got the counter weight sanded and painted, will do a little at a time i guess, got to get back to boat repairs.
Have fun Ed
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Posted: 04 Jan 2021 at 3:08pm |
Ed, Dang it! I thought in that one picture you put some paint under the seat area. Have to ask. What did your F50 look like when you got it? For some reason I feel it may have been very well cared for?? Or you have put some real quality time into your unit? We need some pictures of your progress, either here or in your thread too. Yea you prompted me to get these tilt cylinders repaired. Not cheap, but should be good for a long time! Off to NAPA to get some crows feet wrenches for reaching the hose connections. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 05 Jan 2021 at 6:31pm |
Folks, Not very ambitious today on anything! Took the right front corner guard off straightened it and welded a broken clip back on. It will fit like it should now. Real nice to wheel the Mig welder over to the job too.
I did get the master cylinder off. Yea its for sure junk. All rusted up inside the bore. But it looks like I may have to get this rig safely up on blocks to do some work from underneath to get the pin out of the brake clevis. Humm Not running and no brakes this should be fun! If I do figure out how to get it up in the air it may aid in installing the tilt cylinders too. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 06 Jan 2021 at 12:28am |
You need a bigger fork lift to raise it up!
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Snowman
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Posted: 06 Jan 2021 at 8:08am |
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Chris, Yes I did paint the area under the seat when I replaced the seat ($60.00) on ebay. My machine is supposed to be an ACC50?. Yes I have done a lot of cleaning on her in the 15 years that I have had it. Not one that likes trashed out equipment.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2021 at 8:10am |
Folks, Was just watching Wes (youtube) work on a Clark doing brakes. How the heck do I get myself into this stuff. I am sure my old Allis is as bad or worse than anything out there. Good to watch someone getting into these. Amazing how much stuff is packed into one of these forklifts! Tight quarters for sure! Wes mentions several times the massive amounts of money these can consume too! I would tend to agree with that, and I haven't gotten very deep. Hummmmm? Next move is trying to get a master cylinder. Just ordered the master cylinder off e-bay $50. We will see. I am sure that is the tip of the iceberg regarding brakes! My guess is that the wheel cylinders are junk too! Its old, I need to keep my expectations real low! Off to see If I can do something productive! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 06 Jan 2021 at 8:22am
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Posted: 06 Jan 2021 at 9:13am |
'while it's apart'...... change the fan belt with whatever size puts the alternator a little less than 1/2 of the arc used up. That way when it 'ages' ,you'll have some adjustment... You'll understand WHY I say now.... as the first step is remove that big HEAVY castiron weight under the rad, THEN unbolt and pull out the hydraulic pump, THEN wrangle the old belt off.....
as for brakes... I welded up a frame similar to the ones drywall and brick delivery trucks have. It supports the tire/rim/brakedrum/fina drive HEAVY chunk during remove/replace. If you jig it just right the chunk comes out.goes in EASY. My 'chunk' weighs about 350# or more... I suspend the 'frame' on a chain hoist on an overhead beam whicj reminds me I gotta find a few more 'links' for that one...
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Posted: 06 Jan 2021 at 12:57pm |
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Chris, as for raising up your forklift... what I did was making enough of a bracket (heavy duty) to grab at the hitch in the back, stepped up high enough to slip a little jack under and up you go, put some blocking where you gain height... more 2x6 pcs under the jack and soon the jack fits under the fork lift and away you go. I had a bracket also to work in the side holes further up front to accommodate the jack along side. I'm sure you get the idea. Safe blocking at all times is paramount as your life is in danger otherwise, while working underneath. If I could only find the bracket and post a picture of it I would. I haven't had a forklift now for 7-8 years.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2021 at 7:02pm |
Guys, Thanks!
F40 Brake work continues. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 14 Jan 2021 at 7:14am |
Folks, Brake parts are here minus 2 seals. Got to get this project moving again. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 14 Jan 2021 at 7:30am |
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Looks like you're having fun Chris. Looking good!
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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)
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Posted: 14 Jan 2021 at 8:35am |
WOW ,thought Chris' had stolen pictures of MY FL brake job ! Then noticed the itty bitty wheels....hehehe. Everything else looks the same, even the 'selfadjusting' brake shoe bars. I downloaded a manual(not exctly my FL,naturally) but same parts, had 'how to setup' those bars. I got one good, other a wee bit to 'tight',so left wheel locks up hard. Not really a big deal as I seldom go on the highway..... 'fun' part when reinstalling, is to get tire/rim/drum 'unit'onto the axle cause you HAVE to rotate it a wee bit to get the bullgear to mesh with the pinion. hint: Make whatever 'jig' you need to get the 'unit' 90* to axle, both ways...then it'll slide in real easy.
Also when installing the brake lines have them slope downward towards the wheel cylinders, that way bubbles WILL eventually get back to master cylinder and disappear. My arms weren't long enough, so I got pedal 'hard', blocked it, left overnight...been fine ever since.
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Posted: 14 Jan 2021 at 6:05pm |
Folks, Yea pretty ugly in there. Worse that WD series brakes if that is possible! Haven't gotten the old wheel cylinders off yet, or the brake line. I dont have the unit very far off the ground, and not sure I can get under there to take things apart? Will get it just may not be pretty! Found HGM forklifts from Georgia on line. Talked to Wayne. He helped me order the brake parts and that came in 2 days! Thanks for the support! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 5:47pm |
Folks, Spent some time cleaning and inspecting brake components and wheel bearings. I used the Dayton hoist to lift the 100 lb wheel to the work table for clean up.
Took the backing plate off and it was easy to get to the brake line to remove it:
My Uncle Jack's restored Yost vise seems right at home holding parts for me too. It is very smooth.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 7:11pm |
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Wow Chris, you're good at this stuff!!
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Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 7:49pm |
too clean !!! I can READ the part number on the bullgear section !!! Not fair, foul, time out...go to the penalty room (aka LOFT ) for 10 minutes...hehehehe You sure are dedicated to A project.....sigh, somehow I fumble 3,4,10 projects at once ,never seem to get any done. be sure to take pictures of the automatic brake adjusters BEFORE you take them apart and try not to lose the plastic washers. You'll need a in-oz torque wrench to properly rebuild them.....
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Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 8:07pm |
Eric, Jay, Folks, I dont think of myself as a clean nut. This machine like other old units had a good layer of protective crust combined with more layers of grease and dirt. My mission is to get it apart if possible without breaking too many items. Clean it up and make it better and hopefully somewhat functional too. We will see how that works out. I am at a sever disadvantage without a service book for this. So just winging it!
I thought a lot about getting the wheel cylinder off for a day or two. Its attachment bolts and the line are blind behind this plate. Tonight I realized that the backing plate came off. Duhhhh! Once I took that off it was easy to get to the brake line removed and then move the backer plate to the vice to remove the junk wheel cylinder.
One thing I do have is a helper/ expert, Carl the forklift guy! I can call and he can help over the phone or stop by and guide me. Just today he warned me about the brake adjusters, as Jay mentioned they are very special, and only a few folks in the world know the secret combination to making the brake adjusters work!
So tonight we rest and think good thoughts about the old F40 forklift.
We now have way more money into it than we could ever get out of it. Many hours to get it back together and no real plans to clean it up anymore at this time. I think I will blame Snowman and his super clean F50 for getting me into this old Allis forklift project!
Perfect!
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 15 Jan 2021 at 8:21pm
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Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 8:19pm |
Jay, Thanks for the brake data! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 8:24pm |
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Eric, Probably more stubborn than good, but thank you for the support and encouragement! I will learn some things on this F40. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 16 Jan 2021 at 9:02am |
Chris, Ok I'll take the blame. Looking good on the work that you have completed. I take it the christmas cookies are all gone? I had purchased a few parts from HGM, but found forkliftpartssupply.com easier to work with and cheaper on parts. Also seemed to have more of the stuff I was looking for. Head down pushing foreward. Ed
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Posted: 16 Jan 2021 at 9:09pm |
Snowman, Thanks for the support and the tip for parts. Had good service so far from HGM (Wayne). Did get wrong seals for axle. too small wont fit my machine they are for a machine with no bull gear system. If anyone needs them I will send to them for the shipping cost. Got the right side wheel off and the brake system striped down.
Wheel cylinders were toast as I expected:
Bull gear pinion:
lots of dirty/ greasy/ rusty parts as expected:
Here is the adjuster shortened, and the new shoes:
Brake backing plate and brake cover plate looking just a tad better. No magic here!
More brake component cleaning and then can start re-assembly and bleeding. I want to blow out the lines before I hook them back up. To get out any strange stuff. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 16 Jan 2021 at 9:51pm |
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Be sure to measure the brake drum diameter, subtract 1/4" and use that number to set the 'adjuster' so new shoes fit INSIDE the drum....even 3/8" less is good. You need them 'smaller' so you can 'wiggle' the tire/drum unit back on cause the bullgear has to mesh with the pinion. Good news is yours are 1/3rd the weight of what mine are...
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