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Allis Chalmers HD 21 Dozer torque converter proble |
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Shaun ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 2025 Location: Alberta Canada Points: 6 |
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I have an early 50s Allis Chalmers HD 21 Dozer with a torque converter issue. The torque converter is the old style which uses diesel for its fluid. The Dozer was working good until parked for several years runs great now but has no push power at all barely moves back and forth under its own weight. I have changed the fuel filters and I know the fuel in the tank is good and clean. If anybody has any ideas of where I can start I would really appreciate it I have looked on the Forum for other postings I am having trouble finding the mentioned restrictor to make the fuel pressure in the torque converter stay above 30 PSI I do not have a fuel pressure gauge if I can share some pictures with someone who can maybe give me a hand locating what I'm looking for I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
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gemdozer ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Points: 1016 |
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I am not sure but when these machine ben long time park the fuel tank have to be 75% full for good working. AM NOT A EXPERT
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Shaun ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 2025 Location: Alberta Canada Points: 6 |
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Thank you very much I will try throwing a few more Jerry cans in it and see what happens if it makes a difference
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Shaun ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 2025 Location: Alberta Canada Points: 6 |
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Hey guys I tried more diesel and didn't make any difference. When I used to operate the tractor I could be crawling along pushing a load and lift the blade at the end of a hard push while still moving no problem. Now it doesn't barely want to crawl and the blade only lifts when clutch is engaged but not in gear. I should also tell you that it is an old cable lift blade using the rear winch. Any help would be much appreciated
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3801 |
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make sure you have fuel pressure! any air intrusion or loss of diesel in the converter makes a big difference. on my hd20 it runs about 60 lbs. my 20 uses a separate cooler for the fuel, but i think 21s were built into the radiator. follow the converter cooling tubes up to the radiator and the restrictor should be in the fuel return line near the cooling pack, but really only need to bother with it if you have excess pressure. sounds like you have very little or none. if fuel has leaked out you need to have the clutch engaged and engine running for a couple minutes before the converter will refill. your symptoms say low pressure. cable control on rear of machine is also driven by converter so it will affect movement
Edited by CAL(KS) - Yesterday at 3:49pm |
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Shaun ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 2025 Location: Alberta Canada Points: 6 |
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Yes it does definitely have low pressure I was able to locate a gauge and the needle isn't coming out of the red it is staying seated pretty much at the bottom the gauge is leading between what appears to be the injection pump and the Bell house for the torque converter. does anybody by chance have an idea about where I would start diagnosing why I have no pressure yet the engine is getting sufficient fuel pressure to run at full RPM?
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Shaun ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 2025 Location: Alberta Canada Points: 6 |
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And this does have a separate cooler for the diesel off to the side of the radiator for the coolant in the engine
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