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JoshDay94
Bronze Level Joined: 18 Nov 2024 Location: Logansport, Ind Points: 21 |
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Posted: 25 Nov 2024 at 5:55pm |
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Hello all! I bought a 415 loader off a D15 I'm picking up this weekend. Can anyone provide me with some pictures of how it will mount to the axles. It's going on a series 4. Others have said it would fit, just need the D17 brackets for the rear axle. Also it comes with everything to use a front mounted pump but I believe the pump is missing. Can anyone recommend a front pump to use with it, I kinda like the idea to keep the rear remotes free. Any pics of mounts,pump ideas, or pictures of a manual would greatly be appreciated TIA-Josh
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DrAllis
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Why would you want to use a front pump on a series 4 ??? Only have one remote valve ?? instead of two ?? I'd get a second remote valve.
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JoshDay94
Bronze Level Joined: 18 Nov 2024 Location: Logansport, Ind Points: 21 |
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It has both rear remotes currently, but for the ability to run my disk, and other implements that take hydraulic rear remotes itd be nice not to have to unhook, hook when ever it's needed. I'm not set on this decision just looking at different ideas and such. Especially since the loader and hoses are already set up for a separate pump.
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DrAllis
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I'd be getting a couple of shut-off valves for the bucket and make that work. Move the bucket couplers back with a tee in-between. Then, connect buckets hoses to the bottom of the tee. Place shut-offs wherever you want. The upkeep of a second pump and drive shaft and it takes some HP/fuel to run a second pump. You also haven't priced a new pump or mounting plate or drive shaft or drive hub or chain coupling to make it all work.
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JoshDay94
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I will probably go that route.
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JoshDay94
Bronze Level Joined: 18 Nov 2024 Location: Logansport, Ind Points: 21 |
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Bump for pictures of how other 400 series loaders are mounted please.
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Gary
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D-15 and D-17 are attached similarly at the Rear. Both are an Angle Iron clamped to the underside of the Rear Axle with a 3/4" 'U' Bolt. G |
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PaulB
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4765 |
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An operators or parts manual is needed. either will answer your questions.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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Gary
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Peterborough,On Points: 5422 |
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An original Allis Operating Instructions and Parts Illustration 400 and 500 Series Hydraulic Farm Loaders TM328 would be the ideal Manual with lots of illustrations. G |
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Kenny L.
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Couple of pics.
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Kenny L.
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I made my brackets to put a 415 loader on my D17, if I get out to the shed today I'll try to reminder to get some pics.
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Gary
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Yes Kenny those are the sketches and pictures I was referring to. G |
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steve(ill)
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Gary
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Wow, I only had to watch this Video a few minutes and I thought to myself what an idiotic Redneck way to complete what is really a simple Task. Simple that is if you have been shown the correct procedure, OR you have the Allis 'Operating Instructions and Parts Illustrations Manual'. The Manual clearly states and illustrates you first install the Left and Right Frames loosely to the Tractor. Then you install the 'Frame Spacers' between the Left and Right Frames. After you have tightened all the Frame bolts, you install the Lift Cylinders with hoses attached. After completing the installation of the front Pump, guard, hoses, etc., only then do you attach the Boom and Bucket. So in the Original Posters case, he would perform the above Tasks IN REVERSE. 1) Remove the Loader Boom and Bucket. 2) Remove lift Cylinders 3) Remove Left and Right Frames. Use a chain hoist, Engine Hoist, or another Tractor Loader to support the Frames. Forget removing Rear Tires and Wheels, Fenders, the need for Jack Stands, blocking front wheels, pulling on the whole loader assembly trying to drag it forward. The whole Task really is quite simple if you follow the Reverse Procedure of installing the Frames, Loader Boom, Lift Cylinders, etc. to the Tractor. AND much Safer as well! Gary |
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DaveWisc.
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The brackets are different angles got 15-17
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DrAllis
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It is important on a D-17 series to make sure that small angle iron clip is attached to the big U-bolt and on a fender mounting bracket bolt to keep the U-bolts from spreading apart.
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JoshDay94
Bronze Level Joined: 18 Nov 2024 Location: Logansport, Ind Points: 21 |
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Thanks guys for the info. I got the loader home today, only has 1 patch weld on the left tower where angle iron to axle attaches needs all new hoses and cylinders re packed. But for $450 bucks I thought that was a pretty good buy especially with everything, including the front mounted hydraulic pump, mounting brackets, drive shaft and guard. I will get pictures tomorrow.
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Dragfluid
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Nov 2024 Location: Pillager, MN Points: 14 |
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Doc, does the Series IV main pump have that much more volume? I've got the III and I know the loader would be slow as snails on it. Mine came with the 417 loader with the frt pump. Used it for many years and never had a issue with the pump.
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Series III D-17
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DrAllis
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Series 4 factory hydraulics easily match a front pump tractor for speed. So, why use a front pump on a series 4 ??
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Dragfluid
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Nov 2024 Location: Pillager, MN Points: 14 |
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That's what I was asking. OK, thanks!
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Series III D-17
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8639 |
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Just to elaborate a little on what Doc said; series one, two, and three all had the high pressure, low volume hydraulic pumps, that were internally mounted, and dead when you stepped on the clutch. Series 4 went to low pressure, high volume pump, that was externally mounted in what was previously the mounting spot for the belt pulley, and was full on "live', even when stepping on the clutch. Darrel |
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Dragfluid
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Nov 2024 Location: Pillager, MN Points: 14 |
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Just to elaborate a little on what Doc said; series one, two, and three all had the high pressure, low volume hydraulic pumps, that were internally mounted, and dead when you stepped on the clutch. Series 4 went to low pressure, high volume pump, that was externally mounted in what was previously the mounting spot for the belt pulley, and was full on "live', even when stepping on the clutch. Darrel [/QUOTE] Yes, I've seen that pump on units at shows. The Series IV was nicer all around. We tried running a log splitter off the main pump many moons ago. Took forever. Wasn't very economical. Didn't do that very long.
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Series III D-17
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