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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1725 |
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I have a 301 diesel out of a 7000 tractor that I am going to install in a 3/4 ton pickup truck. Truck will be used by me to bum around town and once in a while haul a gooseneck trailer to a tractor show. The plan is to get this engine mated with a manual transmission and one the powertrain is complete, then find a truck to swap this into. Some of the highways here have 70mph limits on now so I go almost 80 and will need to find trans and differential that can achieve that speed. 5 speed or 6 speed maybe? Also need ideas on any modifications of improvements i should make to this engine for the truck application. I plan to run 15w40 oil and change every 5000 miles. The engine was rebuilt 8 years ago and sat in the workshop ever since. Turns over but is stiff. I plan to remove the oil pan to inspect bearings and for condensation rust. Questions: A. Should I worry about the copper sleeves for the injectors? I have a 190/180 head here I could throw on. B. Should I do any work to the inj pump or injectors for the truck application? (they have been rebuilt) C. I would like to increase the hp closer to 200hp if possible without making the engine prone to self-destruct. D. Can i increase the RPMs closer to 3000? the tag on the pump says 2200rpm. E. And how much torque does this engine make at peak torque RPM and Max RPM? I searched all day for a # and failed to find it. |
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Michael V (NM) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NM Points: 2444 |
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First thing I would do is get a SAE bell housing, go with a Allison OD auto,they'll prolly be a 6 speed...or you could use a Eaton fuller OD trans..then figure out what rear gears that will cruise at 70-80mph interstate speeds...
3000 rpm?? I thought most were rated at 23-2500... |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8471 |
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you really need to talk to Ed....between pump and turbo you can probably make livable HP/TQ closer 2400 and keep it alive. 3 grand might not last but I'm no expert there.
Sam from Ga put a 433 in a pickup once.Don't remember details. Edited by SteveM C/IL - 25 Feb 2020 at 10:54pm |
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Gary Burnett ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Points: 3008 |
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Why do people want to put tractor motors in vehicles and vehicle motors in tractors? Can't see any clear cut advantage to doing either one.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24335 |
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re: why... just like climbing a mountain, because they can ?? maybe because it's 'different' or 'cool' ? I KNOW I lost big time , tossing the V8 into my CJ-5 , and that was a factory option..Impressive highway speed but no darn good offroad or snowplowing. Have to admit, the older I get (66 now) the less I want to do 'projects' , though maybe fixin the left brake on D14 would be good ? Hmm, that new tire is loaded,+-600#s,need to drain out, makes a mess, axle full,can't drain ,nuther mess of oil,everything is heavy,just had toe operated on,hmmm, oh yeah a 'Shameless donation' today..... think i'll wait a bit, Spring's in 22 days anyway, 'need' tractor by then...maybe I'll wait a bit, Summr ?
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5061 |
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Well, there is no way to turn the fuel system up enough without tearing it back apart, and the injector tips switched to the 7010/7020 larger tips than the 7000. They are the larger of the 2 styles for mark 2 heads, guessing it has Allis injectors, not Bosch. 200 hp and 3000 hi idle is very doable, and in a pickup it will be fine, but you may be disappointed at not being able to run 80 mph, or with a big tractor on a gooseneck. I would lean to a 1/2 ton for this small of an engine. S200 turbo woould make a nice upgrade too.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21359 |
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Automatic transmission will perform better because when you shift with a stick you lose boost and have to rebuild that same boost over and over. Automatic will keep the engine boosted up all the time. I believe your choice of a 301 for engine size is much too small for what you expect the performance to be. I drove a company truck with a 3126 Cat engine that was rated at 230 HP @ 2500 RPM with 660 ft lbs of torque at 1400 RPM's. It was more than adequate for a truck that weighed 25,000 lbs day after day and regularly got 10 MPG. I think even a 426 T&I with 7080 ratings is only 210 HP with 400/450 ft lbs of torque and a 301 is waaaay less than that.
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1725 |
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Yeah, I'm not going to win any speed or power contests with the truck, I knew that goin into this project. I'm going to drive around town with it, and pull a gooseneck trailer once or twice a year. For my main hauling truck, I have a 1995 7.3 with 5-speed which loses boost when shifting and I'm fine with it. None of my trucks are beat or abused and this one won't be maxed out either.
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Todd AL ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Dec 2009 Location: Alabama Points: 177 |
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Honestly, a DT466 out of a bus or truck would be way easier, and get you what you want. I get the Allis connection, but unless you have cubic dollars, and a lot of fabricating skills, it will be a challenge. Good luck.
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ac fleet ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2014 Location: Arrowsmith, ILL Points: 2324 |
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The ONLY thing after all this mess is cobbled together is the failure of the end product, BUT it's your money and time so go for it! --- That baby engine will not do what you think it will! --- sorry!
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3765 |
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my frends dad had a intercooleled turbo charged 301 in a 74 lincoln continental it had an allisiion trans that was back in the early 80s the car was a gold color and most of the turbo stuck out of the hood the fab work was excelant thats about all i can remember
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8246 |
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Id keep going with your thoughts and project, gearing will help, may not have top mph but itd be fun ,those are good engines and itd be cool to light em up with an AC 301
Edited by DougG - 26 Feb 2020 at 11:05am |
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1900 |
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I think it is a neat promotional idea for your business I say go for it. I would think with the right gearing overdrive transmission you could get a 75 to 80 cruising speed at 2000 rpm. Might not be the puller you are hoping for but still be a good parts chaser.
Edited by DanWi - 26 Feb 2020 at 9:50pm |
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Boss Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 03 Mar 2018 Location: Greenleaf, WI Points: 617 |
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In a truck you won't be using full Horse Power all the time like you would a tractor so I would think the motor would take it. Small motor pulling a trailer = more gears. Figure out a way to put a twin stick in it and and shift away.
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tbran ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3471 |
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Tom Silver did this many years ago - miserable until he put a second trans in back wards ! this was a way to pull what he wanted - keep in mind you will only have 80 hp until you get to 1800 RPM. Loaded it was constant shifting. Docs idea of the auto is the way to go. You have a way to go - vacuum pump, motor mounts - I would use a light flywheel with a torque converter or some a clutch with the auto - don't like that idea to much involved. Using an auto automatic you have to have a kit to do this - it can get complicated pulling a load. A cable shifted automatic would be the best with a low stall TC.. IF you follow through with this an air to air intercooler would be nice . As to RPM's a constant speed over 2500 scares me... that is throwing a lot of weight around for a long time. Pulling at high rpm is for short time - a few seconds - long runs are a different horse.. IF you want to live on the edge - don't flog the fuel pump - keep it livable - look at some of the diesel hot rod series - nitrous and propane for short bursts - limit it to a theoretical 200 hp for a few seconds for your fun. How much can you add? Just keep adding fuel til you leave metal chunks on the road then back off a bit :-) Just food for thought.
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AC7060IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3466 |
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Alex09(WI), How did your truck turn out? If you used the 301, what trans & differential ratio did you go with? And, what kind of miles per gallon is it getting?
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Put a Cummins in it. Either way, weight on front axel will need to be addressed. MACK
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1725 |
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Truck is not together yet. Have the engine and 1984 chevy 3/4 ton pickup. The holdup is trying to find a NV5600 transmission. Have been watching for 2 years and nothing for sale except one that want a core in return. I may have to settle for The firewall will need to be modified to accommodate the longer engine of the 301. This is not going to be as fast as a project as I hoped.
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1725 |
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Glad to hear of your support! But really, its people like you that give me the motivation to get this project finished and the satisfaction after it is completed. Thanks again
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1725 |
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Just to be clear here, the #1 objective is not PERFORMANCE. It is the cool factor. #2 objective is functional, must start, run and drive. Which it will when I am done with it. Everything else is secondary to the main objective. |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85476 |
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this reminds me of the story about the F4 Phantom when it first came out..... Story was ..." This is the military's proof to the world that given enough $$ and HP even a BRICK can fly "..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4928 |
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If you have any interest in an Allison Automatic, I have an AT-545 that I would sell. It was a take out from a school bus that I had plans for that will never happen at my age, It is complete with, torque converter, bellhousing and starter that fits a 5.9 Cummins.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
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