All Crop 60 Draper Drive Roller Repair

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   So a brief overview, I am currently working on an early All Crop 60 and getting it in working order so it can harvest this summer for a research project. Anyway, I am having issues getting enough friction on the main draper belt drive roller. It has been worked on by several people before me and they tried applying some brush on bedliner so the roller is currently quite hard and has next to no texture. The old canvas has been replaced with the replacement rubber draper belting.
Obviously I can keep on putting more tension on the belt, but I'm not sure if that is a road I want to go down and I'd rather try to fix this to the best way possible and not have any problems during harvest. This does not have to be a permanent fix as the combine will not see more than 20 or so acres during the project, but again reliability is the most important. I've ordered some conveyor roller covering material from McMaster in an attempt to add some more friction to the drive roller, but that sadly is not an option and is just as slippery as the roller is currently.

What have other people done on this issue short of having it recovered by a specialty company?

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Mac&Homelite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 23 May 2019 Location: Minnesota Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mac&Homelite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: All Crop 60 Draper Drive Roller Repair Posted: 23 May 2019 at 5:03pm
	So a brief overview, I am currently working on an early All Crop 60 and getting it in working order so it can harvest this summer for a research project. Anyway, I am having issues getting enough friction on the main draper belt drive roller. It has been worked on by several people before me and they tried applying some brush on bedliner so the roller is currently quite hard and has next to no texture. The old canvas has been replaced with the replacement rubber draper belting. Obviously I can keep on putting more tension on the belt, but I'm not sure if that is a road I want to go down and I'd rather try to fix this to the best way possible and not have any problems during harvest. This does not have to be a permanent fix as the combine will not see more than 20 or so acres during the project, but again reliability is the most important. I've ordered some conveyor roller covering material from McMaster in an attempt to add some more friction to the drive roller, but that sadly is not an option and is just as slippery as the roller is currently. What have other people done on this issue short of having it recovered by a specialty company?

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JohnCO Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992	Post Options Post Reply Quote JohnCO Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 2019 at 5:19pm
	I got a spray can of bed liner and sprayed a couple coats onto the roller, Has lasted for over 10 acres of crops so far. I'm also wondering if that self adheasive step material would work but haven't tried it.
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DiyDave Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 50518	Post Options Post Reply Quote DiyDave Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 2019 at 5:57pm
	Saw this a while back, cheap enough... https://www.shoupparts.com/RB10060-Traction-Tape
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CrestonM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357	Post Options Post Reply Quote CrestonM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 2019 at 10:02pm
	If you can find it, wrap “friction tape” around it. Or...what I do...spray or brush on “Flex Seal”. It’s rubber and maintains a semi-soft texture after drying and grips canvases well. I’ve cut 40 acres and never had an issue. The canvas does need to be fairly tight... What’s the serial number on your combine by chance?

wade89 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Feb 2018 Location: Northern MN Points: 193	Post Options Post Reply Quote wade89 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2019 at 6:53am
	My 66 came with strips of hockey tape wrapped around the top roller. Strips are about 6” on center. Seems to work fine

Mac&Homelite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 23 May 2019 Location: Minnesota Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mac&Homelite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2019 at 7:24am
	SN of the combine is A39134. I was considering that plastic non-slip tread tape too as well as a product like flex-seal. My only concern was the product wearing off, or in the case of the tape an end coming undone and all coming off. I'm glad to hear that someone has had success with getting the rollers more grip without sending the roller to be recovered. Even better since these options are cheap and easy to apply.

Mikez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8144	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mikez Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2019 at 7:37am
	Welcome to the forum. Have any other allis stuff.

Mac&Homelite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 23 May 2019 Location: Minnesota Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mac&Homelite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2019 at 7:47am
	No other Allis equipment as of yet... This is a research project I am working on with my school, but aside from that I'm very fond of vintage equipment. I do more work with smaller handheld stuff, saws mainly, but am working my way up in project size when funds and equipment handling capability allow. Who knows, maybe an Allis tractor project is in the near future.

CrestonM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357	Post Options Post Reply Quote CrestonM Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2019 at 8:43am
	Very nice. Without my book handy, I’d say your combine was built in either late 1950 or 1951. That makes it a 60A instead of a 60, but it’s about 98% the same machine. They just started a second production run of 60s in late 1949 and called them the A Series because they had a few updates to them, but not enough to call them a entirely different model. Edited by CrestonM - 24 May 2019 at 8:43am

Mac&Homelite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 23 May 2019 Location: Minnesota Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mac&Homelite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 7:30am
	So an update on the draper issue. I decided to go with some rubber traction tape (like the use on decks) and wrap the drive rollers in a spiral pattern. I had first tried some conveyor roller cover, but that was too slippery, when I tested it. Anyway, yesterday I finally got a tractor in to test it and did not see the kind of results I was looking for. The lower roller I put the tape and heat shrunk the ends from getting pulled up by using some of the excess conveyor roller cover. That draper got stuck as it came around the top roller and wouldn't make it past to work on going back down. The upper draper I just put on the tape and not the shrink tubing, because it looks liked the top drum is riveted to the shaft almost, so I though I would save myself some time there. The top draper did end up turning normally, but the tape came unwound to about half the way on the drive roller for the upper belt. Does anyone have some ideas? I'm scratching my head on what I can do to get the lower draper to turn. I'm using the newer rubber impregnated belting, and I feel like its about as tight as I can get comfortably. Is there something I'm missing on how the belts operate? Here's a link to the roller wrapping since the files are too large to post on here. http://photos.app.goo.gl/YUTAL5Jwp4gbmWcd7

Johnny8@cox.net Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 30 Nov 2018 Location: Guthrie, OK Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote Johnny8@cox.net Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 6:25pm
	I am about to remove my 60A drapers. Where do I start? Thanks, Johnny

Clay Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Udall, Kansas Points: 8774	Post Options Post Reply Quote Clay Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 11:44pm
	Belzona has elastomers which will do the trick. They are not cheap but will work. They have several durometers available. I used Belzona D&A Elastomer to rebuild a pair of mineral block/feed block press heads, in the 1990's. I have also use the Belzona Elastomers to repair conveyer belts and heavy equipment tires. https://www.belzona.com/en/products/2000.aspx

john(MI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9263	Post Options Post Reply Quote john(MI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 2019 at 12:20am
	Is the spiral tape trying to run the draper over to one side, following the spiral? Maybe you should just put strips around in a straight line.
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Mac&Homelite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 23 May 2019 Location: Minnesota Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mac&Homelite Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 2019 at 12:38pm
	Well, I got sidetracked with harvest when I finished the rollers. To repair the damaged rubber rollers I added rubber tread tape sold at hardware stores and wrapped it in a spiral fashion along the two drive rollers for the draper belts. Initially I just wrapped it in from one end and wrapped it to the other. However after the first time in the field I was having issues with it. So, to fix that little issue, I wrapped from the two ends towards the center in a way that the the drive roller never had a chance to spin on the edges and catch and wind it up. I had some of that conveyor roller cover I initially purchased for the project, which is a big piece of heat shrink basically, and put that on the ends so that it wouldn't catch on the draper belt at all.