ALIC B 3POINT LINKAGE

CAN ANY ONE HELP? I HAVE HYDRO LICKS FITTED TO ALICE B THAT I AM REBUILDING AS I AM IN THE UK. ITS HARD TO FIND SOME ONE TO HELP AS THEY ARE AS RARE  AS HENS TEETH.THE PROBLEM IS THE ARMS ONLY GO UP VERY SLOWLY I HAVE CHANGED THE OIL TO HYDROLICK, THAT'S MADE NO DIFFERENCE I FILLED IT TO THE OVER FLOW PLUG BUT IT SAYS THAT THERE SHOULD BE 7 QUARTS 1 QUART TO POWER THE SYSTEM CAN ANY ONE OUT THERE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE ON HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK FASTER .KEITH

If you use a standard B hydraulic cylinder, cycle time should be OK. If you have an aftermarket cylinder, the bore is probably way to big for the high pressure low volume pump and will always be slow.  You basically have 3 choices. Get the proper sized cylinders( which may limit your lifting capacity) , live with it slow , or add a live hydraulic system to the tractor.
 Share so pictures of your set-up including pictures of the cylinders.

Here is the factory cylinder. The rod is approximately 3/4 of an inch in diameter and there is no piston on the rod. If you have a 2,3, or 4 inch tie bar cylinder, it will be very slow acting because of the volume of oil needed to extend the cylinder.

The UK version of the B had a factory 3 point system which is different than the aftermarket units over here (If this one has the original 3 point)

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Click to enlarge 3 Point hitch adaptor for Allis Chalmers Models B an

Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 14 Nov 2011 at 8:47am

After reading Lance's post, I might think your pump isn't performing properly. 

Thanks again for your advice any more please send it on Regards Keith

No it was shipped over from the States i bought it with the tractor the guy had never unpacked it ,its getting a bit confusing as some one says its the pump while others say its the ram, i will strip the pump down and have a good examination of it ,trouble is trying to find a ram that will work well with the pump and give me the strength for the 3 point hitch

Keith, You posted a picture of your 3 pt lift and it showed a hydraulic cylinder considerably larger than the original AC B ram  posted by CW Tucker.

It is normal that the B pump will take considerably longer to displace a considerably larger volume. There is most probably nothing wrong with the standard two piston pump on your B. It is a small displacement high pressure pump it is going to be slower than one pressurizing a small displacement ram that was originally supplied with AC B lift.

 Keith !!   No  info on hyd  flow,  but  found   Pop  off pressure  at  pump  is  supposed to  be  3,200 Psi.  Just like we  figured. 

Scott touched on a point I was thinking of looking at the 3 point picture. If the connection between the rock shaft and the cylinder could be shortened, it would speed up you lift time using that cylinder.

What's the Dia. and stroke on the stock ram?From what I learned the HYS 20AGU08-ASAE-10  2X8  is 2" bore X 8" stroke.

Edited by SteveC(NS) - 16 Nov 2011 at 2:36pm

After striping down the pump we found that a piece of spring had broken off and was jamming the ball in the valve chamber when put back it worked a lot better and yes there was some pulsing before  strip down and after? but it cleared i think it was just clearing the air,as it seems ok now??But i feel like you guys that the ram is far to big  and if poss could you recommend one that would  poss give me that quicker lift and stronger enough to use with a plough . have done a small vid  if i can get it on the forum ,and  just to   to say thanks again for all your help and input Keith

Keith, If your set-up is now performing to spec congratulations! I can't imagine why you'd want to go to further expense and work to gain a few seconds (or fractions there of).