AGCO-Allis Question

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   My 175 is in the farm shop gettin' new brakes, so I used my recently acquired AGCO-Allis 5660 to pick and transport a field of big round bales. The field is about 4 miles from the home farm up and over a few hills. It went well driving to the field, but on the way back..each time..as I crested the hills and started down the other side the transmission slipped out of 4th gear... high range. The loaded wagon probably weighs between 9500 and 11000 pounds...just a guess based on number of bales hauled and wagon weight. This happened each time I crested a hill and started down the "down side"... I could keep the transmission engaged if I held on to the shift lever, but left alone, at the point of "inflection", it jumped out of gear. As the little beast has only 335 hours on it (1999 model) it can't be a "wear" or "abuse" issue. Anyone know if these tractors were recalled for a transmission gear lock problem??? Every thing else works rather well and the transmission shifts much better/easier than my Sync Shuttle John Deeres....thanks. Oh, I almost forgot, its a 16 speed, with the standard mechanical reverser.     

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Longmeadow Farm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: Eastern NY Points: 321	Post Options Post Reply Quote Longmeadow Farm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: AGCO-Allis Question Posted: 07 Sep 2012 at 4:27pm
	My 175 is in the farm shop gettin' new brakes, so I used my recently acquired AGCO-Allis 5660 to pick and transport a field of big round bales. The field is about 4 miles from the home farm up and over a few hills. It went well driving to the field, but on the way back..each time..as I crested the hills and started down the other side the transmission slipped out of 4th gear... high range. The loaded wagon probably weighs between 9500 and 11000 pounds...just a guess based on number of bales hauled and wagon weight. This happened each time I crested a hill and started down the "down side"... I could keep the transmission engaged if I held on to the shift lever, but left alone, at the point of "inflection", it jumped out of gear. As the little beast has only 335 hours on it (1999 model) it can't be a "wear" or "abuse" issue. Anyone know if these tractors were recalled for a transmission gear lock problem??? Every thing else works rather well and the transmission shifts much better/easier than my Sync Shuttle John Deeres....thanks. Oh, I almost forgot, its a 16 speed, with the standard mechanical reverser.

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Amos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318	Post Options Post Reply Quote Amos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Sep 2012 at 9:14pm
	My 5660 had 1100 hrs on it before they finally fixed it right. The dealer split it 4 times in that period. The way they finally fixed it was to put a bigger ball and stiffer spring in the shift rail, as the weight of the gearshift alone would pull it out of gear. By the time they did that, at 1100hrs, the shift fork was worn half way through, and it was replaced as well. It now has over 6000hrs and never been apart since. One of the best things that ever could have happened, was the owner of the dealership showed up a couple days after we had the tractor fixed the final time and it was leaking oil between the transmission and the torque tube. The bolts had only been put in finger tight. If not for having a loader frame on it it would have busted for sure. My Dad bought the tractor, I would never have, but I had the real pleasure of handing the owner a wrench and telling him to fix it. Was real cute to watch him work with my Dad's junk tools to get the shield out of the way to tighten the bolts under the seat. I had to threaten to send my lawyer after them before they finally fixed it right and I have no use for AGCO's warranty or their word. Dealer is no longer an AGCO dealer either.

Longmeadow Farm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: Eastern NY Points: 321	Post Options Post Reply Quote Longmeadow Farm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Sep 2012 at 6:33am
	Thanks Amos. Do you remember if AGCO admitted to a general recall regarding the 5660 transmissions?. Or did you guys just beat them up until they repaired/fixed the problem? I sent your description of the "fix" along to my AGCO Dealer. Well see what happens..

Amos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318	Post Options Post Reply Quote Amos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Sep 2012 at 6:42am
	The dealer only sold the one that I have. I did get some engine work done on it by a dealer that sold a few of them but never brought up what happened to mine. I could not believe that the shift fork could be worn half of its thickness in 1000 hrs. There must have been some metallurgy problem with that part as we don't use 4th gear really other than going down the road and the two farms we have cattle at are about 300 yards apart down the road which is pretty well all the road running it gets. Oh yeah...what I did not tell you is we had to pay to have it fixed, except for the fork, as it was over 1000hrs, so no warranty, I was not happy camper with them, area AGCO rep still remembers me when I walk into the AGCO booth at the outdoor show...lol...I look right in his eyes and he remembers me. Of course at exactly the same time we were having problems with our R52 I brought to his attention that they should be paying for and he said it was my machine. Later another dealer told me they changed all of the ones they sold and AGCO paid for it. Old news here, not that I buy any new equipment but it ended me getting AGCOs, of course all my other tractors are Allis Chalmers... Edited by Amos - 08 Sep 2012 at 6:43am

Longmeadow Farm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: Eastern NY Points: 321	Post Options Post Reply Quote Longmeadow Farm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 8:04am
	Thanks Amos. What engine problems did you have?? I've experienced a number of AGCO warranty support and repair issues over the years...and all were not that good. It's a good thing that the Allis line is dependable. I have a JD 5320 cab tractor that I use just for haying work...all PTO. The bell-housing bearing spun at 2800 hours, probably due to heavy PTO use.... when the tractor was about 5 years old. The repair bill amounted to around 1300 bucks. I argued with JD factory rep that it spun because of a design flaw. In the end John Deere and the JD dealer asked if 300 bucks would be fair...I said yes and paid the 300. It's my understanding that John Deere and the dealer split the remainder of the charge. Now that's customer service..or is just good customer relations from a company that seems to get it.

Amos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318	Post Options Post Reply Quote Amos Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 11:19am
	We had trouble with one of the fuel pumps, the center cylinder actually. There was a brass or copper ring in it that had broken and the cylinder got so it missed. Funny thing was when they put it on the dyno it had 21 hp. At the time, around 4000 hrs or so we put new tips on the injectors as well and then dynoed it and set the engine up to 52 hp as it only had about 30 when the other cylinder got working right. The dealer told me that the governor would go 'south' on that engine fairly commonly. Strange part is, it starts in the cold now and it never would even when new without the jumper cables, and I added a second battery to it as well that now we don't need or use. Real nice to have a loader tractor that starts year round without any hassles. One thing to make sure of with your's is the bushing on the rear of the fwa that the axle pivots on (side to side) keep it well greased and change it when it get worn. We ran ours (unknowingly) until it wore the splines off a couple of collars and the pinion shaft not knowing the bushing was screwed (or that Dad had no idea there was a grease zerk on it)...lol! We had a IH 3588 that broke a front final drive...the dealer was real good about fixing it, they supplied the parts and we had to pay for the labor, after a few thousand hours it seemed fair to me, dad said a few words, but anyway, I now have a full understanding of AGCO, they have no warranty and all your taking them to task on it is a stress test...I am buying old stuff now and just fixing it, no warranty on anything you buy used or at an auction. I just wish AGCO would be able to supply some parts for our Allis Chalmers stuff that they have listed as NA anymore. Edited by Amos - 09 Sep 2012 at 11:23am

Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Sep 2012 at 5:20pm
	My brother had an engine go bad in his JD skid steer at something under 400 hrs. They did the same deal for him where he paid a third, the dealer and JD each paid a third. I didn't think it was a very good deal and neither did he as I think his bill was still around $3,000. Still, under 400 hours I don't think he should have had to pay anything. I had a couple of issues with my AGCO tractors all when they were relatively new and fixed under warranty. The worst was the dial for 3-pt depth control that took probably 3-4 trips. I did have an issue with my AGCO rotary cutter whee the wheel busted up when I first used it. AGCO wouldn't warranty it because I owned it for more than a year even though I never used it. The dealer I went to took the wheel off another new rotary cutter and call that a warranty. It wasn't the wheel it was the shaft holding the wheel and it had been redesigned. I've had that bugger welded up and beefed up numerous times and it's still a problem. Talked to a Brush Hog guy and he said he's never had a problem with the Brush Hog swivel but I doubt that. Edited by Byron WC in SW Wi - 09 Sep 2012 at 5:23pm