Agco orange color?

My issue is that virtually all of the riding lawn mowers built today are throw-aways, and some of them with similar quality to the AC/Simplicity are significantly less expensive than the $1700-$2000 for the AC/Simplicity.

Spud wrote: Nathan, in case you haven't noticed, Agco tractors have been Massey based since 1997. A lot of people on this site have layed there money down for them and have been pleased with them up until Agco dropped orange. Do you actually buy farm equipment yourself?

I drive an MTD with a two legged one manpower drive system!

I know that AC is gone. However, I want to own and operate on my farm the nearest relatives of the once proud company. My other tractors are orange. It is a bit of a trademark for my operation. AGCO is a direct descendant of the Allis Chalmers company. Massey is not. An orange painted AGCO produced tractor with the AGCO decals on it is/was an acceptable substitute. Red with MF decals just ain't going to cut it.

Oldoug wrote: The ALLIS CHALMERS farm equipment company is gone people.  It exsited between the years of 1914-1985, it's over, done, AGCO is not bringing it back they've spent the last ten years trying to remove any connection to ALLIS-CHALMERS in the company they can, AGCO-ALLIS, orange paint, etc. AGCO doesn't want to be know as what ALLIS-CHALMERS once was or what was left of it, they want to be know as there own company even though we feel that it is the wrong decision.  I don't want to see the ALLIS-CHALMERS name put on some tractor built in France anyway that's not ALLIS-CHALMERS.  ALLIS-CHALMERS lives on in the old tractors and equipment that we restore and bring back to life everyday not in some decal printed today and stuck on a tractor that is the same for three or four different brands.

Well Said

For better or worse, Massey is still the biggest tractor brand in the world.  I believe CNH combined outsell them but that is with two different brands.

The people that started AGCO and brought along Gleaner and the "AGCO Allis" tractor are all from the old days of Allis Chalmers. The intent was to recreate Allis Chalmers as the Deutz fiasco did not work as this current plan will not work. There are eery parallels to this model, Deutz wanted to end Gleaner, same as Richenhagen, but thanks to some selfless and passionate individuals in the company, it is still here. Globally, MF is large, but not here. Should AGCO ignore the most important and STABLE ag market in the world? Results since the beginning of the year confirm what many of us predicted: tractor sales cut in half, since Hesston was dropped and hay equipment painted MF red, sales in half, AGCHEM now migrating to Challenger, sales nosediving etc.

It's so simple....the vendor wants to be a player in the buyers market...but doesn't offer what the buyer wants...good luck with that!Buyer don't care who the vendor thinks they are.

nowversatile wrote: CJohnS MI wrote: Dude, its a corporation, not a country.   And a corporation should be responsible to its shareholders as well, by providing products and services that customers want to make a profit; not exactly what is currently happening, Dude!

And a share holder should be intelligent enough to invest in a company that does just that. Customers are wise enough to spend their money on products that answer their needs - shareholders have no excuse.

Sitting there, complaining that a company is neither providing what YOU want, or performing as YOU expect is nothing short of assinine, and it belongs in the boardroom or your bedroom, but not here.

It's a business, not a religion.

TomYaz wrote: CJohnS MI wrote: Sitting there, complaining that a company is neither providing what YOU want, or performing as YOU expect is nothing short of assinine, and it belongs in the boardroom or your bedroom, but not here. It's a business, not a religion.   So what your saying is no corporation should be criticized publicly? No bad words about AGCO should be utterred here? WTF is that?

Really? Where did I say that?

Here, let me speak plainly - there's a forum for politics:
http://allischalmers.com/new/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=5&title=politics
Excellent place to vent your spleen.

There's a huge difference between opining on a particular bit of news/gossip and hijacking a topic for political posturing.

I have no problem with somebody beating a dead horse - even if it isn't their dead horse. But for cryin' out loud - even the carcass is gone.

TomYaz wrote:   "Really? Where did I say that?"     Ummm, right here:     "Sitting there, complaining that a company is neither providing what YOU want, or performing as YOU expect is nothing short of assinine, and it belongs in the boardroom or your bedroom, but not here."   Perhaps my reading comprehension is bad but I took  "complaining that a company"  ...  "belongs in the boardroom or your bedroom, but not here."  kinda means "Dont complain about AGCO on allischalmers.com"  but hey maybe Im just not as smart as you and cannot understand the nuance of your prose.   As for politics, AGCO isnt a political figure...so dont see why talking about AGCO belongs there. And this thread is and has remained about AGCO Orange(or lack thereof), so not sure where I see "hijacking" going on.

Politics is politics. It exists in Congress, in church, in boardrooms the Rotary and in pulling clubs.

And choosing to spin what I said - is politics. I just stated where on allischalmers.com politics and AGCO belonged (in my opinion) and you very handily spun that.

Yup, this has degenerated into politicking, and you are quite good at it.

CJohnS MI wrote: Politics is politics. It exists in Congress, in church, in boardrooms the Rotary and in pulling clubs.

Tom,

TomYaz wrote: Yes of course. I think we all know, with the exception of CJohnS perhaps, that the "political forum" was meant for "Politics" with a capital "P" i.e. govermental/societal issues, and not for the "politics" of things like your favorite beer or AGCO.

I'm an exceptional guy Tom.

 As an owner of a two Agco tractors along with several older AC's, I too like orange.  I bought the new DTb series because honestly it is one of the best machines on the market now as far as the CVT and fuel effiecency goes.  I would have said no if the MF version was our only choice.  I wish Agco would have been more bold and used their name AGCO on their entire lineup with whatever color and quit the uncertainity.  I reallly doubt this is the end of it all.  Consolidating might have been necessary, but the MF badge IMO was the wrong track.  I normally do not buy new so I guess I will be in the used market for some time to stay with orange.  We are probably one of the few left in our neighborhood left with orange as the main machines for getting the work done.  I have a JD dealer  3 miles from the farm but have never jumped on that wagon totally yet.  These newer Agco tractors are not cheap machines and just for some to say "big deal" do not understand what it is to throw down 100 to 200K on a tractor and have to worry what kind of effect these company decisions will have later on resale or trade in value.  Agco can compare all day how superior the new MF is to JD, but bottom line is they have to put them on the farms to prove their worth.